[RTTY] 4-port serial card for Windows 8.1 results

[Dave Hachadorian]

I should also have stated in my prediction that, in the near
future,  2Tone will take over as the primary TX/RX interface,
replacing MMTTY, which will then be used for receive-only
windows.

Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joe Subich, W4TV
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 9:58 AM
To: rtty at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [RTTY] 4-port serial card for Windows 8.1 results


It won't happen unless someone gets busy with the Open Source
MMTTY project and adds pFSK support to MMTTY and MMVARI.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 4/25/2014 12:53 PM, Dave Hachadorian wrote:
> I predict that, in the near future, G3YYD's "Improved
> Pseudo-FSK
> Circuit" will become the standard RTTY TX interface, rather
> than
> serial ports.
> http://lists.contesting.com/archives//html/RTTY/2014-03/msg00102.html
>
> Laptop prices keep decreasing relative to desktops, and 45 baud
> USB to Serial adapters are getting more scarce and pricey.
>
> That's my prediction anyway, and I'm stickin' with it.
>
> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
> Yuma, AZ
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Don AA5AU
> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 8:38 AM
> To: rtty reflector
> Subject: Re: [RTTY] 4-port serial card for Windows 8.1 results
>
> Tom et al, the reason I went with the standard serial port
> board
> in my new PC is because most USB-to-serial adapters will not
> handle 5-bit data. I think the Edgeport does, but most do not.
>
> For years I have been running a laptop and a Sigi 4-port
> USB-to-serial adapter for FSK/PTT and radio control on my
> second
> radio. In WriteLog, I used "Software generated FSK" and all
> worked well until the BARTG 75 contest came up. WriteLog's
> "Software generated FSK" does not support 75 baud RTTY.
>
> In order to run SO2R in the BARTG 75 contests, I was forced to
> run both radios on my one PC that had 5 legacy serial ports. I
> do
> not like SO2R on a single PC (too busy for me), so I'm looking
> forward to doing my standard SO2R on two PC's during BARTG 75
> on
> Sunday!
>
> 73, Don AA5AU
>
>
>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Tom Magarelli <wa2pni at verizon.net>
>> To: 'Dave Greig' <daven3buo at gmail.com>; "'Joe Subich, W4TV'"
>> <lists at subich.com>
>> Cc: 'RTTY Reflector' <rtty at contesting.com>
>> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 10:16 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RTTY] 4-port serial card for Windows 8.1 results
>>
>>
>> I have been looking at this thread and I know I had purchased
>> a
>> Serial
>> Adapter
>>
>> cable that went from USB 2.0 to two male serial connections.
>>
>> It was recommended to me that it does work well,
>>
>> I cannot confirm because I have not tried it yet. I have not
>> had
>> a need to
>> use it,
>>
>> plus my mother board does have a serial header. I purchased
>> for
>> possible
>> future needs.
>>
>> It is a Micro Connections product. Purchased on Amazon
>>
>> On the package it says the CD includes drivers for Win7 - Win
>> 8 - Vista - XP
>> and Mac
>>
>> Here is a link:
>>
>> Adapter Cable
>> <http://www.amazon.com/Micro-Connectors-Serial-Adapter-E07-162/dp/B0032325LE
>>
>> /ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1398438412&sr=8-10&keywords=usb+to+serial+port+adap
>>
>> tor>
>>
>>
>>
>> I just thought it was easier than installing a board. Just
>> another thought
>> or possibility.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom - WA2PNI
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: RTTY [mailto:rtty-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
>> Dave Greig
>> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 10:33 AM
>> To: Joe Subich, W4TV
>> Cc: RTTY Reflector
>> Subject: Re: [RTTY] 4-port serial card for Windows 8.1 results
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe,
>>
>> Thank you very much for this information. I did not realize
>> 8.1
>> had this
>> capability.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank You!
>>
>> Dave Greig N3BUO
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <
>> <mailto:lists at subich.com> lists at subich.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Part of the problem with installing drivers in Windows 8/8.1
>>> is the
>>
>>> new hybrid sleep (fast boot) capability.  In essence, Win
>>> 8/8.1 closes
>>
>>> any running applications then saves the operating system and
>>> hardware
>>
>>> drivers image to disk just like hibernate.  When rebooting
>>> that old
>>
>>> image is reloaded complete with all the drivers that were
>>> previously
>>
>>> installed - even if the hardware changed.  If the previous
>>> image had
>>
>>> drivers for hardware that was no longer present or drivers
>>> that were
>>
>>> to be replaced, that conflict can cause page faults and other
>>> (BSOD)
>>
>>> errors.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> When installing new hardware the best thing one can do is to
>>> hold the
>>
>>> shift key while shutting down Windows 8/8.1 before making any
>>> hardware
>>
>>> change, install any new drivers, then restart Windows 8/8.1
>>> before
>>
>>> trying to run anything new.  Shift-shutdown and restart both
>>> force a
>>
>>> complete (fresh) reload of the operating system and all
>>> drivers.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Another little known tip ... when installing new USB devices,
>>> always
>>
>>> disconnect any previously connected devices and restart
>>> before
>>
>>> connecting a new USB device for the first time.  This allows
>>> drivers
>>
>>> for the new device to be installed with a "clean slate" and
>>> prevents
>>
>>> older drivers and drivers from hardware no longer present
>>> from
>>
>>> interfering with the installation of a new device.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> 73,
>>
>>>
>>
>>>    ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> On 4/24/2014 11:36 PM, Don Hill AA5AU wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>>> Thanks to everyone who sent information on the serial cards
>>>> they were
>>
>>>> using in their Windows 8 computers. I purchased a new Dell
>>
>>>> 3847 desktop PC with Windows 8.1 and it arrived this past
>>>> Monday.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> On the serial card, I decided to go with a suggestion from
>>>> Joe, W4TV,
>>
>>>> on the Syba model SD-PEX15011 for three reasons. One is that
>>>> Joe is
>>
>>>> usually good about suggesting hardware (I purchased two USB
>>>> sound
>>
>>>> cards he recommended and they work great), secondly because
>>>> this
>>
>>>> particular 4-port board is the sister of the 4-port board I
>>>> have been
>>
>>>> using in my XP Pro machine for many years, and thirdly
>>>> because of the
>>
>>>> price. It is cheaper than any of the others. Although the
>>
>>>> manufacturer is listed as Syba, it says "Best Connectivity"
>>
>>>> on the box.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> I purchased the SD-PEX15011 from Newegg on Monday and it
>>>> arrived today.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815124075>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815124075
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> I installed the board this evening using the instructions
>>>> that came
>>
>>>> with the board. I'm sorry to report that nothing worked as
>>>> it
>>>> was
>>
>>>> suppose to but in the end, for reasons I can't explain, all
>>>> four
>>
>>>> ports magically started working.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> The instructions said to install the board, turn on the
>>>> computer and
>>
>>>> Windows would recognize it - it did not. Windows did not
>>>> like
>>>> the
>>
>>>> board being installed and kept giving an error that it had
>>>> to
>>>> shut
>>
>>>> down and restart because "page fault in non-paged area".
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> I decided to remove the board and install the driver on the
>>>> disk that
>>
>>>> came with the board, then re-install the board. There were
>>>> Windows 8
>>
>>>> drivers on the disk. Windows still did not like the board
>>>> being
>>
>>>> installed. On occasion it would give me the "page fault"
>>
>>>> error and restart, but I did notice that COM 1 was showing
>>>> up
>>>> and the
>>
>>>> other ports were also showing in Device Manager but Windows
>>>> didn't
>>
>>>> know what they were. I tried re-installing the driver but it
>>>> wasn't
>>
>>>> working. I went online to find updated drivers. The drivers
>>>> on the
>>
>>>> Syba website were actually older than the ones on the disk
>>>> and I
>>
>>>> didn't see any for Windows 8. I did find a set of
>>>> instructions for
>>
>>>> Windows 7 that suggested to "Disable Driver Signature
>>>> Enforcement". I
>>
>>>> finally found instructions on how to do this in Windows 8.1
>>>> because
>>
>>>> the instructions for "Disable Driver Signature Enforcement"
>>>> on
>>
>>>> Windows 8 are totally different. I am finding out that
>>>> Windows 8.1 is
>>
>>>> different than Window 8 in many ways.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Rebooting after "Disable Driver Signature Enforcement"
>>>> helped
>>>> keep
>>
>>>> the PC from wanting to restart. I re-installed the drivers
>>>> as
>>
>>>> Administrator but the ports did not show up in Device
>>>> Manager. So I
>>
>>>> switched over to my non-Administrator account for no good
>>>> reason
>>
>>>> other than to check the Device Manager; lo and behold, all
>>>> four ports
>>
>>>> showed up in Device Manager.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> I went ahead and tested all four ports and they all work for
>>>> radio
>>
>>>> control and FSK/PTT. I restarted the computer several times
>>>> and have
>>
>>>> not gotten the "page fault in non-paged area" error and
>>>> everything
>>
>>>> seems very stable.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> I don't know if I would recommend this board to anyone other
>>>> than to
>>
>>>> someone who has time to play with it to get it to work. I
>>>> think it's
>>
>>>> going to be OK, but if you want to spend a little more
>>>> money,
>>>> maybe
>>
>>>> something like a StarTech would install better. I don't
>>>> know.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> I will give it the smoke test in SPDX RTTY this weekend. I'm
>>>> just not
>>
>>>> a fan of USB-to-serial adapters for FSK. Especially with the
>>>> BARTG 75
>>
>>>> coming up on Sunday. Definitely need a legacy COM port for
>>>> 75
>>>> baud on
>>
>>>> a homebrew transistor FSK interface!
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> 73, Don AA5AU
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
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