[RTTY] 4-port serial card for Windows 8.1 results

Joe Subich, W4TV lists at subich.com
Fri Apr 25 13:32:42 EDT 2014 

Unfortunately, 2-Tone does not provide a complete interface (e.g., can
not replace MMTTY on a stand alone bases).  Until it does so there are
substantial impediments to your prediction.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 4/25/2014 1:03 PM, Dave Hachadorian wrote:
> I should also have stated in my prediction that, in the near
> future,  2Tone will take over as the primary TX/RX interface,
> replacing MMTTY, which will then be used for receive-only
> windows.
>
> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
> Yuma, AZ
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Joe Subich, W4TV
> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 9:58 AM
> To: rtty at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [RTTY] 4-port serial card for Windows 8.1 results
>
>
> It won't happen unless someone gets busy with the Open Source
> MMTTY project and adds pFSK support to MMTTY and MMVARI.
>
> 73,
>
>     ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 4/25/2014 12:53 PM, Dave Hachadorian wrote:
>> I predict that, in the near future, G3YYD's "Improved
>> Pseudo-FSK
>> Circuit" will become the standard RTTY TX interface, rather
>> than
>> serial ports.
>> http://lists.contesting.com/archives//html/RTTY/2014-03/msg00102.html
>>
>> Laptop prices keep decreasing relative to desktops, and 45 baud
>> USB to Serial adapters are getting more scarce and pricey.
>>
>> That's my prediction anyway, and I'm stickin' with it.
>>
>> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
>> Yuma, AZ
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Don AA5AU
>> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 8:38 AM
>> To: rtty reflector
>> Subject: Re: [RTTY] 4-port serial card for Windows 8.1 results
>>
>> Tom et al, the reason I went with the standard serial port
>> board
>> in my new PC is because most USB-to-serial adapters will not
>> handle 5-bit data. I think the Edgeport does, but most do not.
>>
>> For years I have been running a laptop and a Sigi 4-port
>> USB-to-serial adapter for FSK/PTT and radio control on my
>> second
>> radio. In WriteLog, I used "Software generated FSK" and all
>> worked well until the BARTG 75 contest came up. WriteLog's
>> "Software generated FSK" does not support 75 baud RTTY.
>>
>> In order to run SO2R in the BARTG 75 contests, I was forced to
>> run both radios on my one PC that had 5 legacy serial ports. I
>> do
>> not like SO2R on a single PC (too busy for me), so I'm looking
>> forward to doing my standard SO2R on two PC's during BARTG 75
>> on
>> Sunday!
>>
>> 73, Don AA5AU
>>
>>
>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Tom Magarelli <wa2pni at verizon.net>
>>> To: 'Dave Greig' <daven3buo at gmail.com>; "'Joe Subich, W4TV'"
>>> <lists at subich.com>
>>> Cc: 'RTTY Reflector' <rtty at contesting.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 10:16 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [RTTY] 4-port serial card for Windows 8.1 results
>>>
>>>
>>> I have been looking at this thread and I know I had purchased
>>> a
>>> Serial
>>> Adapter
>>>
>>> cable that went from USB 2.0 to two male serial connections.
>>>
>>> It was recommended to me that it does work well,
>>>
>>> I cannot confirm because I have not tried it yet. I have not
>>> had
>>> a need to
>>> use it,
>>>
>>> plus my mother board does have a serial header. I purchased
>>> for
>>> possible
>>> future needs.
>>>
>>> It is a Micro Connections product. Purchased on Amazon
>>>
>>> On the package it says the CD includes drivers for Win7 - Win
>>> 8 - Vista - XP
>>> and Mac
>>>
>>> Here is a link:
>>>
>>> Adapter Cable
>>> <http://www.amazon.com/Micro-Connectors-Serial-Adapter-E07-162/dp/B0032325LE
>>>
>>>
>>> /ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1398438412&sr=8-10&keywords=usb+to+serial+port+adap
>>>
>>>
>>> tor>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I just thought it was easier than installing a board. Just
>>> another thought
>>> or possibility.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom - WA2PNI
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: RTTY [mailto:rtty-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Dave Greig
>>> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 10:33 AM
>>> To: Joe Subich, W4TV
>>> Cc: RTTY Reflector
>>> Subject: Re: [RTTY] 4-port serial card for Windows 8.1 results
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Joe,
>>>
>>> Thank you very much for this information. I did not realize
>>> 8.1
>>> had this
>>> capability.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank You!
>>>
>>> Dave Greig N3BUO
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <
>>> <mailto:lists at subich.com> lists at subich.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Part of the problem with installing drivers in Windows 8/8.1
>>>> is the
>>>
>>>> new hybrid sleep (fast boot) capability.  In essence, Win
>>>> 8/8.1 closes
>>>
>>>> any running applications then saves the operating system and
>>>> hardware
>>>
>>>> drivers image to disk just like hibernate.  When rebooting
>>>> that old
>>>
>>>> image is reloaded complete with all the drivers that were
>>>> previously
>>>
>>>> installed - even if the hardware changed.  If the previous
>>>> image had
>>>
>>>> drivers for hardware that was no longer present or drivers
>>>> that were
>>>
>>>> to be replaced, that conflict can cause page faults and other
>>>> (BSOD)
>>>
>>>> errors.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> When installing new hardware the best thing one can do is to
>>>> hold the
>>>
>>>> shift key while shutting down Windows 8/8.1 before making any
>>>> hardware
>>>
>>>> change, install any new drivers, then restart Windows 8/8.1
>>>> before
>>>
>>>> trying to run anything new.  Shift-shutdown and restart both
>>>> force a
>>>
>>>> complete (fresh) reload of the operating system and all
>>>> drivers.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Another little known tip ... when installing new USB devices,
>>>> always
>>>
>>>> disconnect any previously connected devices and restart
>>>> before
>>>
>>>> connecting a new USB device for the first time.  This allows
>>>> drivers
>>>
>>>> for the new device to be installed with a "clean slate" and
>>>> prevents
>>>
>>>> older drivers and drivers from hardware no longer present
>>>> from
>>>
>>>> interfering with the installation of a new device.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>    ... Joe, W4TV
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> On 4/24/2014 11:36 PM, Don Hill AA5AU wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Thanks to everyone who sent information on the serial cards
>>>>> they were
>>>
>>>>> using in their Windows 8 computers. I purchased a new Dell
>>>
>>>>> 3847 desktop PC with Windows 8.1 and it arrived this past
>>>>> Monday.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> On the serial card, I decided to go with a suggestion from
>>>>> Joe, W4TV,
>>>
>>>>> on the Syba model SD-PEX15011 for three reasons. One is that
>>>>> Joe is
>>>
>>>>> usually good about suggesting hardware (I purchased two USB
>>>>> sound
>>>
>>>>> cards he recommended and they work great), secondly because
>>>>> this
>>>
>>>>> particular 4-port board is the sister of the 4-port board I
>>>>> have been
>>>
>>>>> using in my XP Pro machine for many years, and thirdly
>>>>> because of the
>>>
>>>>> price. It is cheaper than any of the others. Although the
>>>
>>>>> manufacturer is listed as Syba, it says "Best Connectivity"
>>>
>>>>> on the box.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> I purchased the SD-PEX15011 from Newegg on Monday and it
>>>>> arrived today.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815124075>
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815124075
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> I installed the board this evening using the instructions
>>>>> that came
>>>
>>>>> with the board. I'm sorry to report that nothing worked as
>>>>> it
>>>>> was
>>>
>>>>> suppose to but in the end, for reasons I can't explain, all
>>>>> four
>>>
>>>>> ports magically started working.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> The instructions said to install the board, turn on the
>>>>> computer and
>>>
>>>>> Windows would recognize it - it did not. Windows did not
>>>>> like
>>>>> the
>>>
>>>>> board being installed and kept giving an error that it had
>>>>> to
>>>>> shut
>>>
>>>>> down and restart because "page fault in non-paged area".
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> I decided to remove the board and install the driver on the
>>>>> disk that
>>>
>>>>> came with the board, then re-install the board. There were
>>>>> Windows 8
>>>
>>>>> drivers on the disk. Windows still did not like the board
>>>>> being
>>>
>>>>> installed. On occasion it would give me the "page fault"
>>>
>>>>> error and restart, but I did notice that COM 1 was showing
>>>>> up
>>>>> and the
>>>
>>>>> other ports were also showing in Device Manager but Windows
>>>>> didn't
>>>
>>>>> know what they were. I tried re-installing the driver but it
>>>>> wasn't
>>>
>>>>> working. I went online to find updated drivers. The drivers
>>>>> on the
>>>
>>>>> Syba website were actually older than the ones on the disk
>>>>> and I
>>>
>>>>> didn't see any for Windows 8. I did find a set of
>>>>> instructions for
>>>
>>>>> Windows 7 that suggested to "Disable Driver Signature
>>>>> Enforcement". I
>>>
>>>>> finally found instructions on how to do this in Windows 8.1
>>>>> because
>>>
>>>>> the instructions for "Disable Driver Signature Enforcement"
>>>>> on
>>>
>>>>> Windows 8 are totally different. I am finding out that
>>>>> Windows 8.1 is
>>>
>>>>> different than Window 8 in many ways.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Rebooting after "Disable Driver Signature Enforcement"
>>>>> helped
>>>>> keep
>>>
>>>>> the PC from wanting to restart. I re-installed the drivers
>>>>> as
>>>
>>>>> Administrator but the ports did not show up in Device
>>>>> Manager. So I
>>>
>>>>> switched over to my non-Administrator account for no good
>>>>> reason
>>>
>>>>> other than to check the Device Manager; lo and behold, all
>>>>> four ports
>>>
>>>>> showed up in Device Manager.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> I went ahead and tested all four ports and they all work for
>>>>> radio
>>>
>>>>> control and FSK/PTT. I restarted the computer several times
>>>>> and have
>>>
>>>>> not gotten the "page fault in non-paged area" error and
>>>>> everything
>>>
>>>>> seems very stable.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> I don't know if I would recommend this board to anyone other
>>>>> than to
>>>
>>>>> someone who has time to play with it to get it to work. I
>>>>> think it's
>>>
>>>>> going to be OK, but if you want to spend a little more
>>>>> money,
>>>>> maybe
>>>
>>>>> something like a StarTech would install better. I don't
>>>>> know.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> I will give it the smoke test in SPDX RTTY this weekend. I'm
>>>>> just not
>>>
>>>>> a fan of USB-to-serial adapters for FSK. Especially with the
>>>>> BARTG 75
>>>
>>>>> coming up on Sunday. Definitely need a legacy COM port for
>>>>> 75
>>>>> baud on
>>>
>>>>> a homebrew transistor FSK interface!
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> 73, Don AA5AU
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
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