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[Kai]

Phil
We stray from "RTTY" here, but since there are apparently RTTY groups on 
Facebook, I think the discussion is fair game.

That non-rescindable permission we gave to FaceBook lets them use ALL of our 
information, including what they glean from other users (our contacts and 
Facebook friends and their connections), plus whatever else is searchable about 
us on the internet to build a pretty comprehensive profile from which well 
targeted advertisement can be constructed. We have given them the right to use 
and sell this targeted info in any way they want. Of course we do not give up 
the "right" to use OUR OWN info, that's the deceptive part. Note that this 
includes all photos, multimedia, and sound files we ever posted, and for any 
purpose they want, including combining them with any other media files anyway 
they choose and for whatever purpose they choose. Sound familiar?

That is why FaceBook is and will be such a successful business. There is no 
conspiracy here, we willingly (if not fully knowingly) gave up our privacy for 
free, for all time.

Did you think that those suspiciously "on target" ads that pop up in your 
browser, and perhaps some those spam emails are random?

73
Kai, KE4PT


On 2/24/2014 11:57 AM, Phil Sussman wrote:
> Kai,
>
> It's amazing to me how some people are so deceived by Facebook
> and never realize that:
>
> 1. The wording of their 'terms' is deceptive and offers a false
>    sense of security.
>
> and
>
> 2. Beyond what they 'print' there is an 'actuality' of what they
>    actually do which may (or may not) comply with what they print.
>
> Thanks for explaining this in a way that I actually overlooked, but
> certainly is true !!
>
> 73 de Phil - N8PS
>
> ----
>
> Quoting Kai <k.siwiak at ieee.org>:
>
>> Folks,
>> "granting Facebook a non-exclusive use of your content." is the definition of 
>> " "I discovered every bit of info they glean is theirs -- never to be 
>> destroyed..."
>> As a "test", see if you can "ungrant" your permission.
>>
>> -73
>> Kai, KE4PT
>>
>> On 2/23/2014 9:53 PM, Robert Chudek - K0RC wrote:
>>> I'm sorry but the following statement is blatantly wrong "I discovered every 
>>> bit of info they glean is theirs -- never to be destroyed..."
>>>
>>> Please read the Facebook Terns of Use - Statement of Rights and 
>>> Responsibilities. Specifically section 2 regarding your Intellectual 
>>> Property rights.
>>>
>>> *"2. Sharing Your Content and Information*
>>>
>>> You own all of the content and information you post on Facebook, and you can 
>>> control how it is shared through your privacy 
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/settings/?tab=privacy> and application settings 
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/settings/?tab=applications>."
>>>
>>> Within Section 2 are five statements that provide additional information, 
>>> including granting Facebook a non-exclusive use of your content. This 
>>> temporary license ends when you delete your content. They "own" nothing. 
>>> They have permission from you to "use". Subsection 2 also describes the 
>>> purging details and that backup copies within their system will eventually 
>>> purge and are not available to others.
>>>
>>> Don't make stuff up and try to pass it off as "authentic"!
>>>
>>> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> On 2/23/2014 8:19 PM, Phil Sussman wrote:
>>>> Regrettably I agree with John. I say regrettably because I
>>>> have unfortunately learned the 'price' of dealing with
>>>> Facebook. They reap and harvest EVERYTHING and I mean
>>>> EVERYTHING. Talk about 'big-brother', Facebook puts that
>>>> analogy to shame. I discovered every bit of info they glean
>>>> is theirs -- never to be destroyed -- just surrendered to the
>>>> highest bidder -- or rather EVERY bidder.
>>>>
>>>> Caution: Woe to any college student on Facebook seeking a job.
>>>> Boxers or briefs -- they know -- and much much more.
>>>>
>>>> 73 de Phil - N8PS
>>>>
>>>> PS. I was cloned there by a douple-ganger with the same name
>>>> or using mine.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Quoting John Becker <w0jab at big-river.net>:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/23/2014 3:57 PM, Robert Chudek - K0RC wrote:
>>>>>> Facebook, on the other hand, is equivalent to a 72" HDTV with color, 
>>>>>> surround sound, video, and instant connections to your friends and 
>>>>>> family. YOU control who gets to "see your stuff", not some invisible 
>>>>>> reflector moderator.
>>>>> If you own a business the insurance company may ask if you use facebook. 
>>>>> Or at
>>>>> least my wife's did and said they would not cover. Had to do with facebook's
>>>>> habit or trying to read as much as they can get from your system (computer)
>>>>> Was more then enough for me not to use it. Besides being on a satellite 
>>>>> internet
>>>>> system I have got to watch the daily bandwidth usage.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you just guess the outcome if all the her customer credit card 
>>>>> information got out.
>>>>> That would be lawsuit never ending. You use it if you like, not me.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John, W0JAB
>>>>> Louisiana, Missouri
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