[RTTY] Fwd: RE: ARRL W1AW Bulletin Operations

Thu Jun 5 11:11:57 EDT 2014

W1AW can operate as per it's published schedule and you can too If you
can meet all the requirements.

You must:

1. Be a club station that is paying the control operator for their services.
2. Make one way transmissions for telegraphy practice or informational
bulletins.
3. Publish your schedule 30 days in advance (this would generally have
to be a written publication under normal interpretations of "publish"
in the CFR).
4. Transmit for at least 40 hours a week.
5. Schedule your operations on at least 6 MF or HF amateur bands at
times meant to maximize coverage.

In practicality, the ARRL is the only organization that can actually
meet those requirements.

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 11:02 AM, W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu at w0mu.com> wrote:
> FYI.  Read the entire chain.
>
> Apparently, the ARRL feels that it does not need to adhere to the all the
> rules that the rest of us do and they effectively own or have the exclusive
> right to their bulletin and practice frequencies.
>
> All you need to do is publish an operating schedule and you too can own
> whatever frequency you want?
>
> I am aghast at his response,  that it is ok for W1AW to maliciously
> interfere with another amateur using a frequency.
>
>
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject:        RE: ARRL W1AW Bulletin Operations
> Date:   Thu, 5 Jun 2014 14:54:12 +0000
> From:   Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ <dsumner at arrl.org>
> To:     'W0MU Mike Fatchett' <w0mu at w0mu.com>
>
>
>
> Mike, data modes with bandwidths of about 2.4 kHz have been in use on HF for
> at least 13 years. RTTY/data and phone/image have separate subbands.
> Changing that would be a major change. RM-11708 proposes a minor change to
> prevent the use of much wider data bandwidths and more efficient use of the
> bandwidth now in use. Why is that a bad thing?
>
> W1AW does not operate under automatic control. There is a control operator
> on duty at all times the station is in operation. Transmissions are made on
> published frequencies and at published times, and have been for decades. If
> you follow your logic to its natural conclusion then somebody could just
> shut down the bulletin and code practice function by squatting on those
> frequencies.
>
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: W0MU Mike Fatchett [mailto:w0mu at w0mu.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 10:42 AM
> To: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ
> Subject: Re: ARRL W1AW Bulletin Operations
>
> Dave,
>
> 113 a 3 iv talks about compensation for the control Ops.  That was not my
> question.
>
> My concern is with any station not just W1AW firing up on a specific
> frequency without checking to see if it is busy.  No where in the rule above
> does it say that all the other rules can be ignored.  Transmitting on a
> frequency without checking if it is busy is contrary to all the
> published operating guides by the ARRL and contrary to the FCC rules.
> Where in the rules does it give any station the authority to fire up on any
> frequency without checking?
>
> The rule says you may pay your control op if you have to have a schedule and
> it has to be published.  It does not mean that the schedule must be followed
> at all costs.  The FCC has stated many times that no net, organization or
> otherwise own or control any frequency unless they are using it.  When I
> stop using a frequency it if free to be used by the next person.  If I am
> using a frequency I should be able to continue to use that frequency until I
> am finished.
>
> Are you saying that there is a control operator on duty at all times when
> the bulletins are being sent?  I always thought it was an automated process.
> If there was a control op in charge at the time of this issue why did he/she
> allow the transmission on top of a frequency in use?
> This behavior would be in violation of the rules would it not?
>
> Any proposals could and should have moved the wideband transmissions into
> the wideband area ie SSB and SSTV.  The proposal could and should have set a
> much lower limit on signals in the cw portions to something much less than
> 2.8khz.
>
> Pactor 4 and winlink will take over our cw bands with transmissions much
> like the W1AW broadcasts.  No need to check if the frequencies are busy,
> just transmit, wipe out the cw or rtty that was there and do whatever it is
> they do.  These wide band data modes can easily deal with narrow band noise
> which was why the proposal moved them into the cw bands.  They cannot deal
> with wide band noise like SSB ans SSTV.
>
> If W1AW does not have to check if a frequency is in use then why should
> anyone else?  These so called automated systems either ignore frequencies in
> use or just don't care.  There are many complaints about many of the other
> modes just coming on and causing interference.
>
> Mike W0MU
>
> On 6/5/2014 6:50 AM, Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ wrote:
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> The bulletin transmissions must conform to the published schedule in order
>> to comply with 97.113(a)(3)(iv). 18 MHz is problematic because the band is
>> narrow, but it provides excellent coverage.
>>
>> 2.8 kHz HF data signals are permitted now and have been in use for more
>> than a decade. What RM-11708 would do is to limit the bandwidth to that
>> rather than to continue the status quo, which allows much wider bandwidths.
>>
>> 73,
>> Dave K1ZZ
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: W0MU Mike Fatchett [mailto:w0mu at w0mu.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 8:49 PM
>> To: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ
>> Subject: ARRL W1AW Bulletin Operations
>>
>> Dave,
>>
>> Apparently in the last few days it was reported that W1AW came up on
>> 18.100 and started the Bulletin.  Unfortunately, one of the W1AW/X
>> stations was on that frequency.
>>
>> I have been going over the rules and I would like to understand why
>> W1AW does not check for a busy frequency prior to firing up.  Where in
>> the FCC rules is this allowed.  I am sure that I would be subject to a
>> pink slip if I decided to fire up on top of W1AW or face much peer
>> retribution wouldn't I?
>>
>> Sadly if RM-11708 passes we will all be subject to 2.8khz signals
>> firing up on top of people using a frequency just like W1AW does.
>> Maybe you can explain the difference to me.
>>
>
>
>
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