[RTTY] Fwd: RE: ARRL W1AW Bulletin Operations

Thu Jun 5 11:15:18 EDT 2014

*_Willful or Malicious Interference Complaints _*

Section 97.101(d) of the Commission's Rules prohibits amateur operators 
from willfully or maliciously interfering with or causing interference 
to any radio communication or signal. 47 C.F.R. § 97.101(d).

They cannot ignore the other rules Paul.

This rule was put in place so they could pay a control op.  It is a 
special interest rule that probably no longer serves a purpose today.  
It does not say that rule 97.101(d) can be ignored.

Mike W0MU

On 6/5/2014 9:11 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
> W1AW can operate as per it's published schedule and you can too If you
> can meet all the requirements.
>
> You must:
>
> 1. Be a club station that is paying the control operator for their services.
> 2. Make one way transmissions for telegraphy practice or informational
> bulletins.
> 3. Publish your schedule 30 days in advance (this would generally have
> to be a written publication under normal interpretations of "publish"
> in the CFR).
> 4. Transmit for at least 40 hours a week.
> 5. Schedule your operations on at least 6 MF or HF amateur bands at
> times meant to maximize coverage.
>
> In practicality, the ARRL is the only organization that can actually
> meet those requirements.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 11:02 AM, W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu at w0mu.com> wrote:
>> FYI.  Read the entire chain.
>>
>> Apparently, the ARRL feels that it does not need to adhere to the all the
>> rules that the rest of us do and they effectively own or have the exclusive
>> right to their bulletin and practice frequencies.
>>
>> All you need to do is publish an operating schedule and you too can own
>> whatever frequency you want?
>>
>> I am aghast at his response,  that it is ok for W1AW to maliciously
>> interfere with another amateur using a frequency.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject:        RE: ARRL W1AW Bulletin Operations
>> Date:   Thu, 5 Jun 2014 14:54:12 +0000
>> From:   Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ <dsumner at arrl.org>
>> To:     'W0MU Mike Fatchett' <w0mu at w0mu.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike, data modes with bandwidths of about 2.4 kHz have been in use on HF for
>> at least 13 years. RTTY/data and phone/image have separate subbands.
>> Changing that would be a major change. RM-11708 proposes a minor change to
>> prevent the use of much wider data bandwidths and more efficient use of the
>> bandwidth now in use. Why is that a bad thing?
>>
>> W1AW does not operate under automatic control. There is a control operator
>> on duty at all times the station is in operation. Transmissions are made on
>> published frequencies and at published times, and have been for decades. If
>> you follow your logic to its natural conclusion then somebody could just
>> shut down the bulletin and code practice function by squatting on those
>> frequencies.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: W0MU Mike Fatchett [mailto:w0mu at w0mu.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 10:42 AM
>> To: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ
>> Subject: Re: ARRL W1AW Bulletin Operations
>>
>> Dave,
>>
>> 113 a 3 iv talks about compensation for the control Ops.  That was not my
>> question.
>>
>> My concern is with any station not just W1AW firing up on a specific
>> frequency without checking to see if it is busy.  No where in the rule above
>> does it say that all the other rules can be ignored.  Transmitting on a
>> frequency without checking if it is busy is contrary to all the
>> published operating guides by the ARRL and contrary to the FCC rules.
>> Where in the rules does it give any station the authority to fire up on any
>> frequency without checking?
>>
>> The rule says you may pay your control op if you have to have a schedule and
>> it has to be published.  It does not mean that the schedule must be followed
>> at all costs.  The FCC has stated many times that no net, organization or
>> otherwise own or control any frequency unless they are using it.  When I
>> stop using a frequency it if free to be used by the next person.  If I am
>> using a frequency I should be able to continue to use that frequency until I
>> am finished.
>>
>> Are you saying that there is a control operator on duty at all times when
>> the bulletins are being sent?  I always thought it was an automated process.
>> If there was a control op in charge at the time of this issue why did he/she
>> allow the transmission on top of a frequency in use?
>> This behavior would be in violation of the rules would it not?
>>
>> Any proposals could and should have moved the wideband transmissions into
>> the wideband area ie SSB and SSTV.  The proposal could and should have set a
>> much lower limit on signals in the cw portions to something much less than
>> 2.8khz.
>>
>> Pactor 4 and winlink will take over our cw bands with transmissions much
>> like the W1AW broadcasts.  No need to check if the frequencies are busy,
>> just transmit, wipe out the cw or rtty that was there and do whatever it is
>> they do.  These wide band data modes can easily deal with narrow band noise
>> which was why the proposal moved them into the cw bands.  They cannot deal
>> with wide band noise like SSB ans SSTV.
>>
>> If W1AW does not have to check if a frequency is in use then why should
>> anyone else?  These so called automated systems either ignore frequencies in
>> use or just don't care.  There are many complaints about many of the other
>> modes just coming on and causing interference.
>>
>> Mike W0MU
>>
>> On 6/5/2014 6:50 AM, Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ wrote:
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> The bulletin transmissions must conform to the published schedule in order
>>> to comply with 97.113(a)(3)(iv). 18 MHz is problematic because the band is
>>> narrow, but it provides excellent coverage.
>>>
>>> 2.8 kHz HF data signals are permitted now and have been in use for more
>>> than a decade. What RM-11708 would do is to limit the bandwidth to that
>>> rather than to continue the status quo, which allows much wider bandwidths.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Dave K1ZZ
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: W0MU Mike Fatchett [mailto:w0mu at w0mu.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 8:49 PM
>>> To: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ
>>> Subject: ARRL W1AW Bulletin Operations
>>>
>>> Dave,
>>>
>>> Apparently in the last few days it was reported that W1AW came up on
>>> 18.100 and started the Bulletin.  Unfortunately, one of the W1AW/X
>>> stations was on that frequency.
>>>
>>> I have been going over the rules and I would like to understand why
>>> W1AW does not check for a busy frequency prior to firing up.  Where in
>>> the FCC rules is this allowed.  I am sure that I would be subject to a
>>> pink slip if I decided to fire up on top of W1AW or face much peer
>>> retribution wouldn't I?
>>>
>>> Sadly if RM-11708 passes we will all be subject to 2.8khz signals
>>> firing up on top of people using a frequency just like W1AW does.
>>> Maybe you can explain the difference to me.
>>>
>>
>>
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