[RTTY] What is this auto mode that QRM's me?

W0MU Mike Fatchett w0mu at w0mu.com
Sun Mar 30 16:00:50 EDT 2014 

Follow the money... Who stands to gain from this and how. I don't know 
but I bet the results might be enlightening.

Mike W0MU

On 3/30/2014 1:51 PM, Gary - NC3Z wrote:
> I guess the ARRL doesn’t take much stock in their "Considerate Operator
> Guide" http://www.arrl.org/considerate-operator
>
>
> Gary Mitchelson
> NC3Z Davidsonville, MD   FM18
> http://www.mitchelson.org/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RTTY [mailto:rtty-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Joe Subich,
> W4TV
> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 14:53
> To: rtty at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [RTTY] What is this auto mode that QRM's me?
>
>
> Does anyone else see something inherently *wrong* about stinklink
> monopolizing every frequency from 3565 - 3600 KHz?  And now ARRL wants to
> allow those channels to expand to nearly 3 KHz each!
>
> 73,
>
>      ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 3/30/2014 1:14 PM, Terry wrote:
>> Here is a list of 80 meter Winlink frequencies:
>>
>>
>> VE1YZ		3,565.000 KHz	Pactor 1,2,3,4
>> VE1YZ		3,565.000 KHz	WINMOR 1600
>> WG3G		3,569.000 KHz	Pactor 1,2,3
>> CIW930	3,571.500 KHz	Pactor 1,2,3,4
>> VE7SCC	3,571.500 KHz	Pactor 1,2,3,4
>> WB9FHP	3,575.500 KHz	WINMOR 500
>> N9LOH		3,579.200 KHz	WINMOR 500
>> N4MEH		3,580.000 KHz	Pactor 1,2,3
>> AB7AA		3,582.500 KHz	Pactor 1,2
>> AB7AA		3,582.500 KHz	WINMOR 500
>> W5SEG		3,584.500 KHz	Pactor 1,2,3
>> W5SEG		3,584.500 KHz	WINMOR 500
>> RT9K		3,585.000 KHz	Pactor 1,2,3,4
>> RT9K		3,585.000 KHz	Robust Packet
>> K9BBS		3,585.000 KHz	WINMOR 500
>> KB5OZE	3,585.000 KHz	WINMOR 500
>> RT9K		3,585.000 KHz	WINMOR 1600
>> KF7RSF	3,585.500 KHz	Pactor 1,2,3
>> SL5ZXP	3,585.500 KHz	Pactor 1,2,3,4
>> KF7RSF	3,585.500 KHz	WINMOR 1600
>> SL5ZXP	3,585.500 KHz	WINMOR 1600
>> K9BBS		3,586.500 KHz	Pactor 1,2
>> K7EK		3,587.000 KHz	Pactor 1,2,3
>> K7EK		3,587.000 KHz	WINMOR 1600
>> N0IA		3,587.200 KHz	Pactor 1,2,3
>> N0IA		3,587.200 KHz	WINMOR 1600
>> WA6TVD	3,587.500 KHz	Pactor 3
>> WA6TVD	3,587.500 KHz	WINMOR 1600
>> K5AEA		3,588.500 KHz	Pactor 1,2,3
>> K5AEA		3,588.500 KHz	Robust Packet
>> K5AEA		3,588.500 KHz	WINMOR 1600
>> AB7AA		3,589.000 KHz	Pactor 3
>> KK5AN		3,589.000 KHz	Pactor 3
>> KQ4ET		3,589.000 KHz	Pactor 1,2,3
>> N7YRT		3,589.000 KHz	Pactor 1,2,3
>> WL7CVG	3,589.000 KHz	Pactor 1,2,3
>> AB7AA		3,589.000 KHz	WINMOR 1600
>> KQ4ET		3,589.000 KHz	WINMOR 1600
>> WA7ODN	3,589.500 KHz	WINMOR 1600
>> KN6KB		3,590.000 KHz	Pactor 3
>> N0IA		3,590.000 KHz	Pactor 1,2,3
>> V51PJ		3,590.000 KHz	Pactor 1,2
>> W0MAC		3,590.000 KHz	Pactor 1,2,3
>> KN6KB		3,590.000 KHz	WINMOR 1600
>> N0IA		3,590.000 KHz	WINMOR 1600
>> W0MAC		3,590.000 KHz	WINMOR 1600
>> W6SH		3,590.000 KHz	WINMOR 1600
>> CIW931	3,590.500 KHz	Pactor 1,2,3
>> K7ODN		3,591.000 KHz	Pactor 1,2,3
>> N5SSH		3,591.000 KHz	Pactor 1,2,3
>> XE2BNC	3,591.700 KHz	Pactor 3,4
>> XE2BNC	3,591.700 KHz	WINMOR 1600
>> KE7XO		3,592.000 KHz	Pactor 3
>> KR4MA		3,592.000 KHz	Pactor 1,2,3
>> W0MAC		3,592.000 KHz	Pactor 1,2,3
>> WE9COM	3,592.000 KHz	Pactor 1,2,3
>> KE7XO		3,592.000 KHz	Robust Packet
>> KE7XO		3,592.000 KHz	WINMOR 1600
>> W0MAC		3,592.000 KHz	WINMOR 1600
>> W7ODN		3,593.000 KHz	Pactor 1,2,3
>> WX4J		3,593.000 KHz	Pactor 1,2,3
>> WX4J		3,593.000 KHz	WINMOR 1600
>> K0SI		3,594.000 KHz	Pactor 1,2,3
>> KE5VRO	3,594.000 KHz	Pactor 1,2,3
>> KA7HRC	3,595.000 KHz	Pactor 1,2,3
>> KB5HCD	3,595.000 KHz	Pactor 3
>> KC4TVO	3,595.000 KHz	Pactor 1,2,3
>> KL7EDK	3,595.000 KHz	Pactor 1,2,3
>> LA3F		3,595.000 KHz	Pactor 1,2
>> KL7EDK	3,595.000 KHz	WINMOR 1600
>> LA3F		3,595.000 KHz	WINMOR 500
>> N5TW		3,596.000 KHz	Pactor 1,2,3
>> N5TW		3,596.000 KHz	WINMOR 1600
>> K1SGA		3,596.020 KHz	Pactor 1,2,3
>> OH2AV		3,596.500 KHz	WINMOR 1600
>> K7DAV		3,597.000 KHz	Pactor 1,2,3
>> K7DAV		3,597.000 KHz	WINMOR 1600
>> DB0ZAV	3,597.500 KHz	Pactor 1,2
>> DB0ZAV	3,597.500 KHz	WINMOR 500
>> LA3F		3,597.900 KHz	Pactor 1,2
>> W1EO		3,597.900 KHz	Pactor 1,2,3
>> LA3F		3,597.900 KHz	WINMOR 500
>> W1EO		3,597.900 KHz	WINMOR 1600
>> W4CPG		3,598.000 KHz	Robust Packet
>> OE6XPD	3,598.500 KHz	Pactor 1,2,3,4
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: RTTY [mailto:rtty-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
>> Flanders
>> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 11:32 AM
>> To: Shoppa, Tim; rtty at contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [RTTY] What is this auto mode that QRM's me?
>>
>> At 12:20 PM 3/30/2014, you wrote:
>>> With all the Winlink and RM-11708 talk going around, I have a question.
>>>
>>> When I contest especially on 80M RTTY band (also occurs other bands,
>>> but most frequently on 80M RTTY band, may be weighted by the fact
>>> that I like 80M the most!) I am often QRM'ed by some sort of
>>> automatic digital mode.
>>>
>>> This auto mode is characterized by two sides chirping at each other,
>>> one side typically is "longer" than the other. The short chirps are
>>> just a second or so, the longer chirps are several seconds.
>>>
>>> Bandwidth is similar or broader than RTTY but it is not RTTY.
>>>
>>> I think this is some sort of ALE mode or HF packet, but don't know if
>>> it's Winlink.
>>>
>>> It most frequently comes up on me after I've been running on a freq
>>> for
>>> 10 or 20 minutes or even more.
>>>
>>> I know that this auto mode "sees me" because if I pause, it switches
>> >from "short chirps", to the long chirps. So clearly this auto mode
>>> sees  me on the frequency and knows the frequency isn't clear, but is
>>> trying  to carry on nevertheless.
>>>
>>> Does this sound familiar? I am on east coast US and I'm pretty sure
>>> this is some sort of ALE mode (unsure which one) and I'm 100% sure
>>> there's no human at either end.
>>>
>>> Tim N3QE
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>> A guess: The long chirps when you pause probably means that it could
>> not transfer data while you were txing, but took advantage of your
>> stopping to transfer it. I suspect it would give up after a few
>> minutes if it could not complete the transfer, but i might be wrong.
>> If the rx station doesn't receive valid data, it requests a repeat
>> (the short chirp). the tx station then tries again with the long
>> chirp. When you went qrt, the rx station received all OK, and stopped
> requesting repeats.
>> Don't know what mode.
>>
>> Jerry W4UK
>>
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