[RTTY] Getting spotted by RTTY skimmers

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

If that is a problem, use one of the contest loggers that does not
scroll ... either WriteLog or N1MM Logger Plus.  A Non-scrolling
display has been standard with Writelog from the beginning and it
is an option in the new N1MM Logger Plus.

I would still rather someone call me with CR/LF so their call is at
the start of the bottom line of the display and not buried in the garble 
at the end of the screen and potentially off screen if the
display does not wrap automatically.  If the screen *does* wrap
automatically, it will cause the display to scroll *anyway.*

Always start your macros with CR/LF and end them with a space.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-09-29 10:12 PM, Neal Campbell wrote:
> If you are chasing a callsign thats above your crlf it does make you chase.
> I saw enough of those this weekend I decided it was just a bad idea!
> 73
>
> *BIG LABOR DAY SALE IN PROGRESS!*
> Neal Campbell
> Abroham Neal LLC
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 9:57 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> CR/LF is fine for the *beginning* of a macro as it does not move
>> your call down the screen.  It *ending* a macro with CR/LF that
>> causes chasing the call up the screen.
>>
>> On a proper scrolling display, CR/LF at the beginning of the macro
>> will put your call at the left edge of the bottom line of the RX
>> window ... generally right under the mouse cursor unless the user
>> is making some rather gross mouse movements ... and where the user
>> does not need to search for it in the garble at the end of the line.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>     ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>> On 2014-09-29 9:45 PM, Neal Campbell wrote:
>>
>>> The CRLF is very frustrating for those trying to click on the callsign and
>>> having to chase it around the window. Please do not use!
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> *BIG LABOR DAY SALE IN PROGRESS!*
>>> Neal Campbell
>>> Abroham Neal LLC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 9:17 PM, Lee Sawkins <ve7cc at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>   Starting your call macros with a couple of spaces does as well as
>>>> <CR><LF>
>>>> and has he added benefit of not causing the text to scroll down the
>>>> screen
>>>> if you press your callsign button several times.  All macros should start
>>>> with something other than a printable character as many times they get
>>>> tagged onto garbage characters and do not get decoded as intended.
>>>> Sending
>>>> your callsign twice with no leading and ending non printing characters
>>>> will
>>>> result in no callsign being decoded without extra characters.  This slows
>>>> things down as the receiving op has to manually enter your call with the
>>>> keyboard.
>>>>
>>>> Lee
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists at subich.com>
>>>> To: <rtty at contesting.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 12:29 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RTTY] Getting spotted by RTTY skimmers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   I did get spotted multiple times while S&Ping, but I think that was a
>>>>> function of being fast on the draw, so that the skimmers could likely
>>>>> have seen " CQ KA0XTT KA0XTT CQ N1EN N1EN N1EN "
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Start your macros with <CR><LF> .... that will make sure you don't get
>>>> picked up with the trailing CW or TEST from the previous station.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>>      ... Joe, W4TV
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2014-09-29 3:09 PM, Michael Adams wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   There are notes in the second section of
>>>>> http://wz7i.com/cw-skimmer/rtty-skimmer.html
>>>>>
>>>>> The primary trick is to leave trailing whitespace at the end of the
>>>>> over.   I used "TEST N1EN N1EN CQ " («note the space) and "TU N1EN CQ
>>>>> " («again, the space) and had almost no problems getting picked up.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did get spotted multiple times while S&Ping, but I think that was a
>>>>> function of being fast on the draw, so that the skimmers could likely
>>>>> have seen " CQ KA0XTT KA0XTT CQ N1EN N1EN N1EN "   A few times, the
>>>>> S&P spots even came through tagged as "skimqsy" or "skimvalid" in the
>>>>> CT1BOH logic.
>>>>>
>>>>> I apparently need to learn patience.  :)
>>>>>
>>>>> I do think that the smaller number of RTTY skimmers online, and the
>>>>> challenges of decoding RTTY vs. CW probably contribute to the reduced
>>>>> likelihood of getting spotted by a RTTY skimmer versus a CW skimmer,
>>>>> especially on 80.
>>>>>
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