[RTTY] Getting spotted by RTTY skimmers

Mon Sep 29 23:57:35 EDT 2014

I have to disagree here.. I start every one of my macro's with a cr.  I want my line being sent to ALWAYS be starting on a new line out of the way of the garbage from in between callers. I keep my rx window at 4 or 5 lines high and not once this weekend did I chase a callsign up the screen. In N1MM+ this weekend I used both the non-scrolling and the scrolling windows to do some testing that I needed to do and in both window types if you can't click on the callsign and exchange that is sent on that line your slow.. I have heard this over and over again and I have to say I have never needed to scroll back to get a callsign or exchange.Even if you get garbaged out and need to wait for another line the line you want to get stuff from should not be out of your window. The one good thing in N1MM+ is that if someone sends multiple cr/lf's only one is received and the rest are not sent to the rx windows.

73 Rick N2AMG

-----Original Message-----
From: RTTY [mailto:rtty-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Neal Campbell
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 10:13 PM
To: Joe Subich, W4TV
Cc: RTTY Reflector
Subject: Re: [RTTY] Getting spotted by RTTY skimmers

If you are chasing a callsign thats above your crlf it does make you chase.
I saw enough of those this weekend I decided it was just a bad idea!
73

*BIG LABOR DAY SALE IN PROGRESS!*
Neal Campbell
Abroham Neal LLC

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 9:57 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:

>
> CR/LF is fine for the *beginning* of a macro as it does not move your 
> call down the screen.  It *ending* a macro with CR/LF that causes 
> chasing the call up the screen.
>
> On a proper scrolling display, CR/LF at the beginning of the macro 
> will put your call at the left edge of the bottom line of the RX 
> window ... generally right under the mouse cursor unless the user is 
> making some rather gross mouse movements ... and where the user does 
> not need to search for it in the garble at the end of the line.
>
> 73,
>
>    ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 2014-09-29 9:45 PM, Neal Campbell wrote:
>
>> The CRLF is very frustrating for those trying to click on the 
>> callsign and having to chase it around the window. Please do not use!
>>
>> 73
>>
>> *BIG LABOR DAY SALE IN PROGRESS!*
>> Neal Campbell
>> Abroham Neal LLC
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 9:17 PM, Lee Sawkins <ve7cc at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>>  Starting your call macros with a couple of spaces does as well as
>>> <CR><LF>
>>> and has he added benefit of not causing the text to scroll down the 
>>> screen if you press your callsign button several times.  All macros 
>>> should start with something other than a printable character as many 
>>> times they get tagged onto garbage characters and do not get decoded 
>>> as intended.
>>> Sending
>>> your callsign twice with no leading and ending non printing 
>>> characters will result in no callsign being decoded without extra 
>>> characters.  This slows things down as the receiving op has to 
>>> manually enter your call with the keyboard.
>>>
>>> Lee
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" 
>>> <lists at subich.com>
>>> To: <rtty at contesting.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 12:29 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [RTTY] Getting spotted by RTTY skimmers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  I did get spotted multiple times while S&Ping, but I think that was 
>>> a
>>>> function of being fast on the draw, so that the skimmers could 
>>>> likely have seen " CQ KA0XTT KA0XTT CQ N1EN N1EN N1EN "
>>>>
>>>
>>> Start your macros with <CR><LF> .... that will make sure you don't 
>>> get picked up with the trailing CW or TEST from the previous station.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>>     ... Joe, W4TV
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2014-09-29 3:09 PM, Michael Adams wrote:
>>>
>>>  There are notes in the second section of
>>>> http://wz7i.com/cw-skimmer/rtty-skimmer.html
>>>>
>>>> The primary trick is to leave trailing whitespace at the end of the
>>>> over.   I used "TEST N1EN N1EN CQ " («note the space) and "TU N1EN CQ
>>>> " («again, the space) and had almost no problems getting picked up.
>>>>
>>>> I did get spotted multiple times while S&Ping, but I think that was 
>>>> a function of being fast on the draw, so that the skimmers could likely
>>>> have seen " CQ KA0XTT KA0XTT CQ N1EN N1EN N1EN "   A few times, the
>>>> S&P spots even came through tagged as "skimqsy" or "skimvalid" in 
>>>> the CT1BOH logic.
>>>>
>>>> I apparently need to learn patience.  :)
>>>>
>>>> I do think that the smaller number of RTTY skimmers online, and the 
>>>> challenges of decoding RTTY vs. CW probably contribute to the 
>>>> reduced likelihood of getting spotted by a RTTY skimmer versus a CW 
>>>> skimmer, especially on 80.
>>>>
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