[RTTY] Waterfall and CQ conundrum

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

On 3/27/2016 2:08 PM, Jeff AC0C wrote:
> The use of "DE" would be a mess, especially for the people living in DE.

BS!  There is a clear difference between calling CQ, QRZ, TEST, etc.
and an exchange.  It used to be that software *required* DE to decode
calls buried in noise ... and it may still be the case for some soft-
ware and calls that are not in the "known callsigns" databases.  In
any case, DE is only a problem for RTTY contests that use states as
multipliers and that is a relatively small percentage of contests.

If the skimmer algorithms required CQ DE, QRZ DE, TEST DE, RR DE, etc.
that would quickly become the standard again and put an end to the
problems with S&P stations who do not start their macros with CR/LF,
CR, or LF *as recommended*.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


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> -----Original Message----- From: Joe Subich, W4TV
> Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 12:51 PM
> To: rtty at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [RTTY] Waterfall and CQ conundrum
>
>
>> If CQ'ing stations want to put the letters CQ at the end of their
>> CQ message, they should consider changing to "CQ{period}"  That is
>> “CQ.”
>
> CQ<period> requires *four characters* the same as TEST because of the
> need to shift to FIGS for the period.  If you are going to use "CQ."
> there is no advantage over TEST - it takes the same 330 ms longer than
> CQ each time.
>
> I'll leave it to the purists to argue whether 1 second for three CQs
> is more effective than losing a QSO (or needing to call CQ again)
> because someone tunes past and does not hear CQ ... or losing a run
> frequency because someone does not hear CQ and assumes you are
> leaving it.
>
> The other solution is to put DE back in the CQ messages and trigger
> CQ detection *only* when hearing CQ DE W1LID or QRZ DE W1LID, etc.
> That will assure that those calls following  W1LID CQ without a
> leading CR/LF do not trigger the CQ detection.
>
> 73,
>
>     ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 3/27/2016 1:22 PM, Dave Hachadorian wrote:
>> Alex, VE3NEA, is the guy who writes the Skimmer code.
>>
>> He has made two postings in this thread, which, if I understand them
>> correctly, are as follows:
>> If CQ'ing stations want to put the letters CQ at the end of their CQ
>> message, they should consider changing to "CQ{period}"  That is “CQ.”
>> Alex says the program will ignore that three-character string.
>>
>> Stations who are S&P’ing should send a CR/LF before their call sign.
>> Alex says that would be helpful.
>>
>> Alex is also working on other methods to improve the CQ/S&P uncertainty.
>>
>> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
>> Yuma, AZ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jeff Rinehart via RTTY
>> Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 8:00 AM
>> To: rtty at contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [RTTY] Waterfall and CQ conundrum
>>
>> Ok - so don't use QRZ - got that - Test is too long -  got that too.
>> So, if we don't use CQ and Test is too long, what is the alternative
>> other than just waiting for the Skimmer folks to figure it out?
>> I don't use Skimmer myself but I can appreciate it's value.  Whether
>> or not a person uses Skimmer isn't the issue if I understand it
>> right.  It's this thing of Skimmer picking up CQ just in front of a
>> S&P'ers callsign and then posting that on the cluster as someone's Run
>> frequency when actually that callsign should only be associated with
>> the S&P'er.  Am I still confused?  or just Dense!  I Do want to
>> operate correctly even though I am just a Little Pistol providing
>> contacts for the Big Boys!  I am posting this because there are, no
>> doubt, lots of others out there reading this who are just too shy to
>> say anything.  de W4PJW
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