[RTTY] Upside-down RTTY contest QSO's

[Jeff AC0C]

I'm with you - work them all, however it has to be done.  A Q is a Q and 
guys who are setting "I won't work em" thresholds clearly have not ran into 
the case of having worked all the guys on the band.  Plus a novice to RTTY 
contesting op does not necessary mean he's got a poor signal.  While you are 
busy ignoring him he may be strong enough to hold off the other guys while 
you are practicing the pure-sig only method.

There are plenty of issues with novice use of loggers but you get into Ford 
vs. Chevy discussions there.  I saw more uses of the generic macros from HRD 
than this reverse sequence thing which may come from N1MM.  Probably does 
not happen much with WL because you have to pay up to get into that - 
something the casual user probably won't do.

73/jeff/ac0c
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-----Original Message----- 
From: Jeff Stai
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 3:53 PM
To: k0rc at citlink.net
Cc: Jeff AC0C ; rtty at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [RTTY] Upside-down RTTY contest QSO's

It sounds more like a training or a documentation error, because the folks
doing this are doing it consistently. Either the tool is too easy to misuse
or the "how-to" is not directing them to the correct usage.

I'm never going to turn down a Q because of it. However, it is inefficient
and is not as robust in the face of marginal conditions. Many Qs have been
lost because the other op was unable or unwilling to break pattern. We both
lose when this happens, and less fun is had by all. 73 jeff wk6i

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 1:24 PM, Robert Chudek - K0RC <k0rc at citlink.net>
wrote:

> Yes, an operation error. N1MM+ only moves the cursor into the RST field(s)
> if you use the *TAB* key. The operator should be using the *SPACEBAR* key
> to move between the call sign and the (unique) exchange fields. There is 
> no
> need to pass through the RST fields with the cursor during a contest.
>
> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> On 2/13/2017 2:46 PM, Jeff AC0C wrote:
>
>> If you are using N1MM and the ESM feature (common for RTTY operation
>> setup), the default the program will pick once you have the run guy's 
>> call
>> loaded is to send your call (correct in the sequence).  But if you have
>> anticipated the exchange and loaded it in, N1MM moves the pointer over to
>> the exchange (which is what these guys are sending).  The execution in 
>> both
>> cases is the same (right click).  That may be where this is coming from 
>> in
>> the N1MM case. It's not a program issue though - it's an operator error
>> issue because the N1MM/ESM flow works perfect if you are driving it
>> correctly.
>>
>> 73/jeff/ac0c
>> www.ac0c.com
>> alpha-charlie-zero-charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Stai
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 2:28 PM
>> To: Peter Laws
>> Cc: John Merrill ; RTTY Reflector
>> Subject: Re: [RTTY] Upside-down RTTY contest QSO's
>>
>> Somewhere along the way, in the past few months, I picked up the
>> impression
>> that one of the contest loggers had this exchange "style" as a default,
>> and
>> that that is why we are seeing it more.
>>
>> I know it isn't Writelog, but I don't know if it is or isn't N1MM+ or
>> something else. Maybe someone familiar with other loggers can look into
>> it.
>>
>> 73 jeff wk6i
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 12:20 PM, Peter Laws <plaws0 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 2:09 PM, John Merrill <johnn1jm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > There are still some that do not send 599 when required by the rules.
>>> They seem to get confused when I REPLY RST? RST?.
>>>
>>> Yeah ... we need to work on sponsors to ditch that.  Put in something
>>> else.  Shoe size or something.  BARTG is half-way there.  :-)
>>>
>>>
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>
> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
>
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