[SCCC] ARRL 10 K6GEP(@N6WIN) SO Mixed HP

Jeff Kincaid, W6JK w6jk at arrl.net
Thu Dec 15 06:35:56 PST 2011 

That's a great idea.  Uh, is there a scoring program for Cabrillo logs?

'JK

--- On Thu, 12/15/11, Bill Haddon <haddon.bill at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Bill Haddon <haddon.bill at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [SCCC] ARRL 10 K6GEP(@N6WIN) SO Mixed HP
> To: "SCCC reflector" <sccc at contesting.com>
> Cc: "Dennis Younker NE6I" <ne6i at cox.net>
> Date: Thursday, December 15, 2011, 7:21 AM
> that's funny . . . xylophone. 
> Being a chemist, i can always resort to:
> 
> Neodynium 6 Zirconium Flourine Osmium
> 
> Several years ago I sponsored the SPACE award  .. .
> Stew Perry Award for
> Chemical Elements
> see   http://web.jzap.com/k7rat/elements.txt
> 
> 73 Bill n6zfo (NCCC)
> 
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:52 AM, The Pollacks <rinkies at att.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > Better phonetic for Z?  When someone spells
> something with a "Z," I always
> > ask, "Is that Z like in Xylophone?"  They always
> answer in the affirmative,
> > and I've had my laugh of the day (to myself!)  I
> don't recommend it for
> > contesting, just for a laugh!
> >
> > Ron K2RP
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sccc-bounces at contesting.com
> [mailto:sccc-bounces at contesting.com]
> On
> > Behalf Of Bill Haddon
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 10:26 PM
> > To: Dennis Younker NE6I
> > Cc: SCCC reflector
> > Subject: Re: [SCCC] ARRL 10 K6GEP(@N6WIN) SO Mixed HP
> >
> > An SSB fanatic might want to avoid a call containing a
> Z.  "Zulu" and
> > "Zebra" are soft and stations struggle.  F and O
> are only rarely a problem
> > with foxtrot oscar or fox
> oscar.   Can't think of a better phonetic for
> Z
> > though. Sometimes I switch to Zebra in desperation,
> which should be better,
> > but it's non-standard.
> >
> > But odd problems can show up on cw as well. . . on 160
> meters, JA's
> > frequently respond to me as "N6RO" . Ken is so well
> known on the band plus
> > the fact that in Morse, RO is imbedded in ZFO  .
> .if the Z and the first
> > dit of F disappear in a fade, the residual is N6RO.
> >
> > 73 Bill n6zfo
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Dennis Younker NE6I
> <ne6i at cox.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I've always used an "adaptive phonetics"
> strategy.
> > >
> > > That is, a station with a longer call such as
> KD9GNW (especially if he is
> > > using longer phonetics) will cause me to respond
> with something like Kilo
> > > Delta Nine Golf Nancy Whiskey because I can say
> that much faster than the
> > > phonetics he said (as in your example) Kilo Delta
> Nine Golf November
> > > Whiskey. And chances are, he's probably using
> Kilowatt instead of Kilo.
> > :)
> > > One might say gee, November versus Nancy...that's
> only one extra
> > syllable.
> > > But for me, I can rattle off Golf Nancy Whiskey
> faster than Golf November
> > > Whiskey. As you can see, I would adapt to the
> call and conditions.
> > >
> > > DX stations would get the very same phonetics
> back that they used, or the
> > > standard phonetics, never anything fancy.
> Especially if they have a heavy
> > > accent or likely do not speak English.
> > >
> > > If conditions are marginal and I am trying to
> confirm his call or mine, I
> > > might repeat the call more than once using
> different phonetics each time.
> > > Sometimes one phonetic is not QRM/QRN friendly
> and another is. Or some
> > > other
> > > factor makes it difficult to decipher one
> particular phonetic on the
> > > receiving end. In my own call for example, I find
> that other stations
> > find
> > > it difficult to get "India" in marginal
> conditions but "Italy" gets
> > through
> > > easily. Some of you may have heard me say Norway
> Echo Six India (shorter
> > > phonetics) and other times November Echo Six
> Italy. And sometimes a
> > mixture
> > > of that. Just depends on conditions.
> > >
> > > On my end (receiving-wise), one thing I have
> noticed over the years is
> > that
> > > if the other station is using one off beat
> phonetic, chances are, I will
> > > remember him better later in the contest and
> realize that he is a dupe.
> > > This
> > > was more important in the paper logging days than
> it is now. Sometimes
> > they
> > > can get away with two fancy phonetics. I.E.,
> KH6BZF (Zipper Flipper)
> >  This
> > > is probably less effective in a DX contest
> however.
> > >
> > > --Dennis NE6I
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Timothy Coker" <n6win73 at gmail.com>
> > > To: "Bill Haddon" <haddon.bill at gmail.com>
> > > Cc: "SCCC reflector" <sccc at contesting.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 10:11 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [SCCC] ARRL 10 K6GEP(@N6WIN) SO
> Mixed HP
> > >
> > >
> > > > Good point on the error rates.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Bill Haddon
> <haddon.bill at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Let's say you are called by KD9GNW (no
> phonetics) and the stn is weak
> > or
> > > >> fading. . .
> > > >>
> > > >> Could be KB9GNW, KB9VNW, KD9BMW
> etc.  So respond
> > > >> Kilo Delta Nine Golf November Whiskey
> and hope the op corrects you if
> > > >> necessary.  Most will.
> > > >>
> > > >> I don't see any thing wrong with
> responding to "Kilo Delta 9 Good
> > > >> Nebraska
> > > >> Whiskey"  with "KD9GNW" unless you
> want to compliment the op on his
> > > >> creative choice of phonetics. otherwise,
> if you "get" his creative
> > > >> choice,
> > > >> don't waste the time repeating it. And
> hopefully, in his mind, he's
> > > >> spelling that "Wiskey" not Whisky, which
> must be only Scottish, not
> > > >> Nebraskan.
> > > >>
> > > >> Also, judge the care in your response
> with your past error rates. . if
> > > >> your
> > > >> at the 1-2% level whatever you're doing
> is fine.  But if >4-5%, pay
> > more
> > > >> attention to the callsign, especially
> because there may be a penalty
> > > >> above
> > > >> loss of the QSO for a busted call vs. a
> busted QTH or number.  With
> > over
> > > >> 1300 Q's this past weekend [so far 6th
> nationally in MIXED SO LP based
> > > on
> > > >> 3830 reports), exactly *one* station
> gave me a 5-8.
> > > >>
> > > >> 73 Bill n6zfo
> > > >>
> > > >> Talleyrand Winery
> > > >> Kelseyville CA
> > > >> (NCCC)
> > > >>
> > > >> On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Dave
> Hachadorian <k6ll at arrl.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > > Don't repeat the callsigns
> back phonetically on phone.  Use
> > > >> > > letters.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > My advice on this is to use exactly
> the same phonetics he used
> > > >> > when he called you.  If you
> use letters, he might hear them
> > > >> > differently, and think you need a
> correction, adding a lot more
> > > >> > time.  Also, non-English
> speakers don't know the letters, only
> > > >> > the phonetics.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
> > > >> > Yuma, AZ
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