[SCCC] ARRL 10 K6GEP(@N6WIN) SO Mixed HP

Wed Dec 14 23:21:41 PST 2011

that's funny . . . xylophone.  Being a chemist, i can always resort to:

Neodynium 6 Zirconium Flourine Osmium

Several years ago I sponsored the SPACE award  .. . Stew Perry Award for
Chemical Elements
see   http://web.jzap.com/k7rat/elements.txt

73 Bill n6zfo (NCCC)

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:52 AM, The Pollacks <rinkies at att.net> wrote:

> Better phonetic for Z?  When someone spells something with a "Z," I always
> ask, "Is that Z like in Xylophone?"  They always answer in the affirmative,
> and I've had my laugh of the day (to myself!)  I don't recommend it for
> contesting, just for a laugh!
>
> Ron K2RP
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sccc-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:sccc-bounces at contesting.com] On
> Behalf Of Bill Haddon
> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 10:26 PM
> To: Dennis Younker NE6I
> Cc: SCCC reflector
> Subject: Re: [SCCC] ARRL 10 K6GEP(@N6WIN) SO Mixed HP
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> An SSB fanatic might want to avoid a call containing a Z.  "Zulu" and
> "Zebra" are soft and stations struggle.  F and O are only rarely a problem
> with foxtrot oscar or fox oscar.   Can't think of a better phonetic for Z
> though. Sometimes I switch to Zebra in desperation, which should be better,
> but it's non-standard.
>
> But odd problems can show up on cw as well. . . on 160 meters, JA's
> frequently respond to me as "N6RO" . Ken is so well known on the band plus
> the fact that in Morse, RO is imbedded in ZFO  . .if the Z and the first
> dit of F disappear in a fade, the residual is N6RO.
>
> 73 Bill n6zfo
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Dennis Younker NE6I <ne6i at cox.net> wrote:
>
> > I've always used an "adaptive phonetics" strategy.
> >
> > That is, a station with a longer call such as KD9GNW (especially if he is
> > using longer phonetics) will cause me to respond with something like Kilo
> > Delta Nine Golf Nancy Whiskey because I can say that much faster than the
> > phonetics he said (as in your example) Kilo Delta Nine Golf November
> > Whiskey. And chances are, he's probably using Kilowatt instead of Kilo.
> :)
> > One might say gee, November versus Nancy...that's only one extra
> syllable.
> > But for me, I can rattle off Golf Nancy Whiskey faster than Golf November
> > Whiskey. As you can see, I would adapt to the call and conditions.
> >
> > DX stations would get the very same phonetics back that they used, or the
> > standard phonetics, never anything fancy. Especially if they have a heavy
> > accent or likely do not speak English.
> >
> > If conditions are marginal and I am trying to confirm his call or mine, I
> > might repeat the call more than once using different phonetics each time.
> > Sometimes one phonetic is not QRM/QRN friendly and another is. Or some
> > other
> > factor makes it difficult to decipher one particular phonetic on the
> > receiving end. In my own call for example, I find that other stations
> find
> > it difficult to get "India" in marginal conditions but "Italy" gets
> through
> > easily. Some of you may have heard me say Norway Echo Six India (shorter
> > phonetics) and other times November Echo Six Italy. And sometimes a
> mixture
> > of that. Just depends on conditions.
> >
> > On my end (receiving-wise), one thing I have noticed over the years is
> that
> > if the other station is using one off beat phonetic, chances are, I will
> > remember him better later in the contest and realize that he is a dupe.
> > This
> > was more important in the paper logging days than it is now. Sometimes
> they
> > can get away with two fancy phonetics. I.E., KH6BZF (Zipper Flipper)
>  This
> > is probably less effective in a DX contest however.
> >
> > --Dennis NE6I
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Timothy Coker" <n6win73 at gmail.com>
> > To: "Bill Haddon" <haddon.bill at gmail.com>
> > Cc: "SCCC reflector" <sccc at contesting.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 10:11 AM
> > Subject: Re: [SCCC] ARRL 10 K6GEP(@N6WIN) SO Mixed HP
> >
> >
> > > Good point on the error rates.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Bill Haddon <haddon.bill at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Let's say you are called by KD9GNW (no phonetics) and the stn is weak
> or
> > >> fading. . .
> > >>
> > >> Could be KB9GNW, KB9VNW, KD9BMW etc.  So respond
> > >> Kilo Delta Nine Golf November Whiskey and hope the op corrects you if
> > >> necessary.  Most will.
> > >>
> > >> I don't see any thing wrong with responding to "Kilo Delta 9 Good
> > >> Nebraska
> > >> Whiskey"  with "KD9GNW" unless you want to compliment the op on his
> > >> creative choice of phonetics. otherwise, if you "get" his creative
> > >> choice,
> > >> don't waste the time repeating it. And hopefully, in his mind, he's
> > >> spelling that "Wiskey" not Whisky, which must be only Scottish, not
> > >> Nebraskan.
> > >>
> > >> Also, judge the care in your response with your past error rates. . if
> > >> your
> > >> at the 1-2% level whatever you're doing is fine.  But if >4-5%, pay
> more
> > >> attention to the callsign, especially because there may be a penalty
> > >> above
> > >> loss of the QSO for a busted call vs. a busted QTH or number.  With
> over
> > >> 1300 Q's this past weekend [so far 6th nationally in MIXED SO LP based
> > on
> > >> 3830 reports), exactly *one* station gave me a 5-8.
> > >>
> > >> 73 Bill n6zfo
> > >>
> > >> Talleyrand Winery
> > >> Kelseyville CA
> > >> (NCCC)
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Dave Hachadorian <k6ll at arrl.net>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > > Don't repeat the callsigns back phonetically on phone.  Use
> > >> > > letters.
> > >> >
> > >> > My advice on this is to use exactly the same phonetics he used
> > >> > when he called you.  If you use letters, he might hear them
> > >> > differently, and think you need a correction, adding a lot more
> > >> > time.  Also, non-English speakers don't know the letters, only
> > >> > the phonetics.
> > >> >
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> > >> > Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
> > >> > Yuma, AZ
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