[SCCC] ARRL 10 K6GEP(@N6WIN) SO Mixed HP

[The Pollacks]

Better phonetic for Z?  When someone spells something with a "Z," I always
ask, "Is that Z like in Xylophone?"  They always answer in the affirmative,
and I've had my laugh of the day (to myself!)  I don't recommend it for
contesting, just for a laugh!

Ron K2RP

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From: sccc-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:sccc-bounces at contesting.com] On
Behalf Of Bill Haddon
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 10:26 PM
To: Dennis Younker NE6I
Cc: SCCC reflector
Subject: Re: [SCCC] ARRL 10 K6GEP(@N6WIN) SO Mixed HP

An SSB fanatic might want to avoid a call containing a Z.  "Zulu" and
"Zebra" are soft and stations struggle.  F and O are only rarely a problem
with foxtrot oscar or fox oscar.   Can't think of a better phonetic for Z
though. Sometimes I switch to Zebra in desperation, which should be better,
but it's non-standard.

But odd problems can show up on cw as well. . . on 160 meters, JA's
frequently respond to me as "N6RO" . Ken is so well known on the band plus
the fact that in Morse, RO is imbedded in ZFO  . .if the Z and the first
dit of F disappear in a fade, the residual is N6RO.

73 Bill n6zfo

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Dennis Younker NE6I <ne6i at cox.net> wrote:

> I've always used an "adaptive phonetics" strategy.
>
> That is, a station with a longer call such as KD9GNW (especially if he is
> using longer phonetics) will cause me to respond with something like Kilo
> Delta Nine Golf Nancy Whiskey because I can say that much faster than the
> phonetics he said (as in your example) Kilo Delta Nine Golf November
> Whiskey. And chances are, he's probably using Kilowatt instead of Kilo. :)
> One might say gee, November versus Nancy...that's only one extra syllable.
> But for me, I can rattle off Golf Nancy Whiskey faster than Golf November
> Whiskey. As you can see, I would adapt to the call and conditions.
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> DX stations would get the very same phonetics back that they used, or the
> standard phonetics, never anything fancy. Especially if they have a heavy
> accent or likely do not speak English.
>
> If conditions are marginal and I am trying to confirm his call or mine, I
> might repeat the call more than once using different phonetics each time.
> Sometimes one phonetic is not QRM/QRN friendly and another is. Or some
> other
> factor makes it difficult to decipher one particular phonetic on the
> receiving end. In my own call for example, I find that other stations find
> it difficult to get "India" in marginal conditions but "Italy" gets
through
> easily. Some of you may have heard me say Norway Echo Six India (shorter
> phonetics) and other times November Echo Six Italy. And sometimes a
mixture
> of that. Just depends on conditions.
>
> On my end (receiving-wise), one thing I have noticed over the years is
that
> if the other station is using one off beat phonetic, chances are, I will
> remember him better later in the contest and realize that he is a dupe.
> This
> was more important in the paper logging days than it is now. Sometimes
they
> can get away with two fancy phonetics. I.E., KH6BZF (Zipper Flipper)  This
> is probably less effective in a DX contest however.
>
> --Dennis NE6I
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Timothy Coker" <n6win73 at gmail.com>
> To: "Bill Haddon" <haddon.bill at gmail.com>
> Cc: "SCCC reflector" <sccc at contesting.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 10:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [SCCC] ARRL 10 K6GEP(@N6WIN) SO Mixed HP
>
>
> > Good point on the error rates.
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> > On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Bill Haddon <haddon.bill at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
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> >> Let's say you are called by KD9GNW (no phonetics) and the stn is weak
or
> >> fading. . .
> >>
> >> Could be KB9GNW, KB9VNW, KD9BMW etc.  So respond
> >> Kilo Delta Nine Golf November Whiskey and hope the op corrects you if
> >> necessary.  Most will.
> >>
> >> I don't see any thing wrong with responding to "Kilo Delta 9 Good
> >> Nebraska
> >> Whiskey"  with "KD9GNW" unless you want to compliment the op on his
> >> creative choice of phonetics. otherwise, if you "get" his creative
> >> choice,
> >> don't waste the time repeating it. And hopefully, in his mind, he's
> >> spelling that "Wiskey" not Whisky, which must be only Scottish, not
> >> Nebraskan.
> >>
> >> Also, judge the care in your response with your past error rates. . if
> >> your
> >> at the 1-2% level whatever you're doing is fine.  But if >4-5%, pay
more
> >> attention to the callsign, especially because there may be a penalty
> >> above
> >> loss of the QSO for a busted call vs. a busted QTH or number.  With
over
> >> 1300 Q's this past weekend [so far 6th nationally in MIXED SO LP based
> on
> >> 3830 reports), exactly *one* station gave me a 5-8.
> >>
> >> 73 Bill n6zfo
> >>
> >> Talleyrand Winery
> >> Kelseyville CA
> >> (NCCC)
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> >> On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Dave Hachadorian <k6ll at arrl.net>
> wrote:
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> >> > > Don't repeat the callsigns back phonetically on phone.  Use
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> >> > My advice on this is to use exactly the same phonetics he used
> >> > when he called you.  If you use letters, he might hear them
> >> > differently, and think you need a correction, adding a lot more
> >> > time.  Also, non-English speakers don't know the letters, only
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> >> > Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
> >> > Yuma, AZ
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