[SCCC] N6WIN 2012 ARRL FD 1E LP

[Dino Darling]

I agree with everything you said Tim and this discussion has been very
educational for me as well! Thank You!

Dino - KX6D
 
 
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [SCCC] N6WIN 2012 ARRL FD 1E LP
From: Timothy Coker <n6win73 at gmail.com>
Date: Mon, July 09, 2012 8:30 pm
To: Dino Darling <dino at kx6d.com>
Cc: sccc at contesting.com, Marty Woll <n6vi at socal.rr.com>

Dino, a lockout does nothing more than ensures that the idea of one
transmitted signal at a time is followed. It does nothing more and
nothing less. If I wanted to possibly be irresponsible as a SO2R / 2
Comp guy then I would not own one. Without a hardware interlock you
would eventually transmit two signals. Some operators might then say
they were M2 or they might tell a little white lie and still claim SO2R.
As the operator becomes better and starts posting better scores the
operator and or station owner would come under increased scrutiny...
especially if he started winning. Enter the hardware interlock necessity
for a highly competitive multi single station or operator using two
computers (not needed by single op two radio one computer guys due to
good SO2R boxes / software) as seen atthe past WRTCs.
Field Day isn't always used as a highly competitive contest ground. The
vast majority of hams participating probably have never thought of doing
SO2R let alone wanting or needing a lockout. However, those interested
in practicing MS or SO2R / 2 Computers are definately not kept out of
the contest.
Does SO2R or doing MS with an interlock meet what most guys think about
Field Day? Most likely not. Setting up camp somewhere, having lots of
ops, low QSO counts, lots of experimental stuff, etc is probably what
most envision about Field Day. That is awesome and I have enjoyed my
time in those groups. However, there are also those who choose to push
the competitive edge in the same contest environment and enjoy making
thousands of QSOs in a very heavy rate environment. One of these days I
will be one of those guys who can post big numbers... in the meantime I
had a lot of fun using new technology under emergency power conditions
within the full understanding of the rules.
The question initially posed was a good one... now Marty has done a
great job in getting us the answer. Thanks for that information and
excellent discussion guys.
73,
Tim /N6WIN
 
On Jul 9, 2012 7:45 PM, "Dino Darling" <dino at kx6d.com> wrote:
Field Day allows for un-licensed operators operating under a control
operator (that's a lot of "O's"). I'd drop "appropriately licensed
operator."

For further discussion, there is a limit on the number of transmitters
(transceivers?) operating on one band-mode at a time...

"4. Entry Categories: Field Day entries are classified according to the
maximum number of simultaneously
transmitted signals...

6. Miscellaneous Rules:

6.3. Phone, CW and Digital (non-CW) modes on a band are considered as
separate bands. A station may
be worked only once per band under this rule.


6.7. The use of more than one transmitter at the same time on a single
band-mode is prohibited. Exception:
a dedicated GOTA station may operate as prescribed in Rule 4.1."

The key words here are "SIMULTANEOUSLY" and "AT THE SAME TIME". While
the rules clearly state TRANSMITTING radios in rule #4, using two radios
on a single band-mode AT THE SAME TIME (one TX and one RX) is open for
interpretation. The rules say NO. Of course, they do say "transmitter"
in 6.7. Is it only a transmitter when transmitting and a receiver when
receiving...or do they mean "transceiver"?

Again, my initial reaction was that a lock-out was not allowed. As I
read the rules, I was right; but now I'm not sure.

Dino - KX6D


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [SCCC] N6WIN 2012 ARRL FD 1E LP
From: "Marty Woll" <n6vi at socal.rr.com>
Date: Mon, July 09, 2012 12:10 pm
To: "Michael Tope" <W4EF at dellroy.com>, <sccc at contesting.com>


Thanks, Mike.

Here's the wording I'd like to see (assuming that is the actual intent
of the rules):

 "Devices that allow one operator to key multiple transmitters
simultaneously are not permitted. Each claimed transmitter in an entry
category must be manned by a separate, appropriately licensed operator."

73,

Marty N6VI


 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Michael Tope
 To: sccc at contesting.com
 Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 11:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [SCCC] N6WIN 2012 ARRL FD 1E LP


 I've heard through the grapevine, for example, that some serious 1A
 entries use SO2R setups to increase rate, which is fine if allowed by
 the rules. From what you say, Marty, it sounds like that is the case.
 The current wording doesn't really make that very clear. In fact, it
 seems to imply that an SO2R setup with lockout would be prohibited, so
 it would be good to get a more concise wording.

 Thanks for chasing this down.

 73, Mike W4EF