[SCCC] SCCC Digest, Vol 176, Issue 26
Paul - cox
WN6K at cox.net
Sun Aug 27 00:16:52 EDT 2017
I don't want/need a Flex. I just want Flex to give all those poor hams in straw huts in far away
places so THEY can hear me!
WN6K
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"If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking."
George S. Patton
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> 1. Re: FW: Competitive Contest Comparison - Flex vs Elecraft
> (Marty Woll)
> 2. Re: FW: Competitive Contest Comparison - Flex vs Elecraft
> (Dr. Howard S. White)
> 3. Re: FW: Competitive Contest Comparison - Flex vs Elecraft
> (W6ph at aol.com)
> 4. Re: FW: Competitive Contest Comparison - Flex vs Elecraft
> (Dr. Howard S. White)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 07:06:41 -0700
> From: "Marty Woll" <n6vi at socal.rr.com>
> To: "'Bruce Horn'" <bhorn at hornucopia.com>, "'Dennis Vernacchia'"
> <n6ki73 at gmail.com>
> Cc: "'SCCC Reflector'" <sccc at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [SCCC] FW: Competitive Contest Comparison - Flex vs
> Elecraft
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> Good point, Bruce. Start by defining the "mission" and go from there. Trying to duplicate K9CT's outstanding multi-op station is very different from going on a contest Dxpedition or running the 6m station from a tent in a mountaintop VHF contest set-up.
>
> The Elecraft also allows one to start with the basic radio, which in itself is a fine piece of gear, and buy added features over time as needs and budget dictate. Flex has made great strides, however, and both companies have done their share of bar-raising, for which we should all be grateful, especially in what may be a gradually disappearing market.
>
> 73,
>
> Marty N6VI
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SCCC [mailto:sccc-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Horn
> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 4:02 PM
> To: Dennis Vernacchia
> Cc: SCCC Reflector
> Subject: Re: [SCCC] FW: Competitive Contest Comparison - Flex vs Elecraft
>
> Hi,
>
> I think the problem with the author's attempt to make an apples-to-apples comparison of the two transceivers is that he attempted to configure each so that it had all of the features/functionality (as near as possible) of the other. A better approach would be to define the functionality/performance needed (in this case for contesting since this is a contest club e-mail reflector) and then determine how and at what cost each rig could meet those requirements. Even then an important question would be whether the contester wants remote operation.
>
> I own a K3 that has the available K3S upgrades (a K3+ ?) and think the new Flex transceivers are certainly worth considering.
>
> 73 de Bruce, WA7BNM (bhorn at hornucopia.com)
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 14:19:38 +0000
> From: "Dr. Howard S. White" <drpaper at kleega.com>
> To: Marty Woll <n6vi at socal.rr.com>
> Cc: Bruce Horn <bhorn at hornucopia.com>, Dennis Vernacchia
> <n6ki73 at gmail.com>, SCCC Reflector <sccc at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [SCCC] FW: Competitive Contest Comparison - Flex vs
> Elecraft
> Message-ID: <4D6069FB-1287-497C-9579-A1F67FD843EF at kleega.com>
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> You guys are likely unaware of couple of points
>
> 1. The Flex 6600M is a complete stand alone box that includes knobs and does not need an external computer
> '2. Every Flex Radio is SO2R without the need to buy a second radio and external filters so for a SO2R configuration it's substantially less expensive
> 3. Bouvet Island Dxpedition is 100% Flex Radio
> 4. K9CT Contest station and several others are now 100% Flex
>
> __________________________________________________________
> Howard S. White Ph.D. P. Eng., KY6LA
> Website: www.ky6la.com
> "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished"
> "Ham Antennas Saved Lives - Katrina, 2003 & 2007 San Diego Fires, 911
> Sent from my iPad Pro
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> On Aug 24, 2017, at 7:07 AM, Marty Woll <n6vi at socal.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Good point, Bruce. Start by defining the "mission" and go from there. Trying to duplicate K9CT's outstanding multi-op station is very different from going on a contest Dxpedition or running the 6m station from a tent in a mountaintop VHF contest set-up.
>
> The Elecraft also allows one to start with the basic radio, which in itself is a fine piece of gear, and buy added features over time as needs and budget dictate. Flex has made great strides, however, and both companies have done their share of bar-raising, for which we should all be grateful, especially in what may be a gradually disappearing market.
>
> 73,
>
> Marty N6VI
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SCCC [mailto:sccc-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Horn
> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 4:02 PM
> To: Dennis Vernacchia
> Cc: SCCC Reflector
> Subject: Re: [SCCC] FW: Competitive Contest Comparison - Flex vs Elecraft
>
> Hi,
>
> I think the problem with the author's attempt to make an apples-to-apples comparison of the two transceivers is that he attempted to configure each so that it had all of the features/functionality (as near as possible) of the other. A better approach would be to define the functionality/performance needed (in this case for contesting since this is a contest club e-mail reflector) and then determine how and at what cost each rig could meet those requirements. Even then an important question would be whether the contester wants remote operation.
>
> I own a K3 that has the available K3S upgrades (a K3+ ?) and think the new Flex transceivers are certainly worth considering.
>
> 73 de Bruce, WA7BNM (bhorn at hornucopia.com)
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 10:38:56 -0400
> From: W6ph at aol.com
> To: drpaper at kleega.com, n6vi at socal.rr.com
> Cc: n6ki73 at gmail.com, sccc at contesting.com, bhorn at hornucopia.com
> Subject: Re: [SCCC] FW: Competitive Contest Comparison - Flex vs
> Elecraft
> Message-ID: <3c69cb.34ab5f66.46d03eff at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Can the Flex radio be purchased without SO2R capability for a substantial
> discount? Just curious as my K3 does everything I want for just under
> $3000 invested. I only do SO1R and only CW with my K3 (400 Hz filter).
>
> I don't see that you can buy a stripped down Flex radio with only the
> features you want for a lower price.
>
> 73, Kurt W6PH
>
>
> In a message dated 8/24/2017 7:21:07 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> drpaper at kleega.com writes:
>
> '2. Every Flex Radio is SO2R without the need to buy a second radio and
> external filters so for a SO2R configuration it's substantially less
> expensive
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 14:53:15 +0000
> From: "Dr. Howard S. White" <drpaper at kleega.com>
> To: "W6ph at aol.com" <W6ph at aol.com>
> Cc: "n6vi at socal.rr.com" <n6vi at socal.rr.com>, "n6ki73 at gmail.com"
> <n6ki73 at gmail.com>, "sccc at contesting.com" <sccc at contesting.com>,
> "bhorn at hornucopia.com" <bhorn at hornucopia.com>
> Subject: Re: [SCCC] FW: Competitive Contest Comparison - Flex vs
> Elecraft
> Message-ID: <09F9C54B-D072-443B-BF4F-7ECB8EA7099A at kleega.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> The new 6400 is only $1900 and but contains infinite numbers of filters and SO2R but only 2 receivers instead of 4 or 8
>
> __________________________________________________________
> Howard S. White Ph.D. P. Eng., KY6LA
> Website: www.ky6la.com<http://www.ky6la.com>
> "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished"
> "Ham Antennas Saved Lives - Katrina, 2003 & 2007 San Diego Fires, 911
> Sent from my iPad Pro
>
> On Aug 24, 2017, at 7:38 AM, "W6ph at aol.com<mailto:W6ph at aol.com>" <W6ph at aol.com<mailto:W6ph at aol.com>> wrote:
>
> Can the Flex radio be purchased without SO2R capability for a substantial discount? Just curious as my K3 does everything I want for just under $3000 invested. I only do SO1R and only CW with my K3 (400 Hz filter).
>
> I don't see that you can buy a stripped down Flex radio with only the features you want for a lower price.
>
> 73, Kurt W6PH
>
> In a message dated 8/24/2017 7:21:07 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, drpaper at kleega.com<mailto:drpaper at kleega.com> writes:
> '2. Every Flex Radio is SO2R without the need to buy a second radio and external filters so for a SO2R configuration it's substantially less expensive
>
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