[SCCC] Field Day - Please help out the locals
Phil Minch
ki4mug at gmail.com
Mon Jun 24 20:05:37 EDT 2024
My point being that scoring is a mighty weak incentive.
On Mon, Jun 24, 2024 at 4:13 PM Clayton Nall <clayton.nall at gmail.com> wrote:
> Exactly—the scoring rules are the incentives to go to the field (or not)!
>
> Clayton Nall
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> On Mon, Jun 24, 2024 at 3:48 PM Phil Minch <ki4mug at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Changing the scoring rules back doesn't seem to be an effective way to
>> encouragee people back into the field. Scoring should not be the focus,
>> participation should be. You all have tunnel vision here.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2024 at 2:40 PM Dino Darling <dino at kx6d.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Ryan, it wasn't a problem before. No need to reinvent the wheel. Just
>> > remove the incentive to work from home and the problem goes away all by
>> > itself. Same rules from 2019. No changing how you make a call.
>> >
>> > Dino - KX6D
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: Ryan Huggins <KI6BTY at pm.me>
>> > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2024 10:52:27 PM
>> > To: Dino Darling <dino at kx6d.com>
>> > Cc: neiljessen at hotmail.com <neiljessen at hotmail.com>; k0xp at k0xp.com <
>> > k0xp at k0xp.com>; Southern California Contesting Club <
>> sccc at contesting.com>
>> > Subject: Re: RE: [SCCC] Field Day - Please help out the locals
>> >
>> > Dino,
>> >
>> > Thank you for the background. Although I've been licensed since 2007
>> and
>> > a general since 2017, this was only my second field day with my first
>> being
>> > last year. If that rule went into effect I suspect they'd need to
>> change
>> > the exchange then to spell out what your station class is prior to
>> making
>> > the contact. Otherwise there would be a lot of people upset at the
>> wasted
>> > time and I'd suspect that would have a significant impact on the alpha
>> site
>> > scores too, as I'd imagine that if you had to go through the exchange
>> just
>> > to find out you can't count it, that would upset a LOT of people, myself
>> > included.
>> >
>> > So you know what my experience is, the three clubs in Ventura County had
>> > 41 stations setup between them, which is the same number of stations we
>> put
>> > together county-wide last year. The club I belong to, The Conejo Valley
>> > ARC was the largest (likely in the country... again) as a 21 Alpha.
>> > Ventura (K6MEP) was a 13A and the Simi Settlers were a 7A. Conejo ran
>> > 80m-6m every mode, had VHF/UHF stations and a satellite station setup,
>> > etc. In my area, according to the Field Day wrap-up meeting we had
>> > tonight, I was one of three D stations in the club's region and we did
>> have
>> > one mobile setup as well. Last year three of the top six scoring clubs
>> in
>> > the nation were right here in Ventura County. I do not say this to
>> brag,
>> > but to illustrate that we have a very robust Field component and
>> > participation out here. Our club was not hurting for people to operate
>> > stations and there were only a couple of B or D stations in operation
>> out
>> > here.
>> >
>> > If you desire, here is a picture from last year's FD when the club was
>> the
>> > largest in the country as an 18 Alpha:
>> > https://www.cvarc.org/2023/06/18-alpha-sierra-bravo/ The site layout
>> is
>> > pretty much the same this year, just a lot hotter! The local Cal State
>> > college's radio club joined us. I only worked from home because there
>> were
>> > no available stations on the signup list by the time my schedule
>> cleared (I
>> > think I mentioned that before). Being self-employed in a field that is
>> > traditionally client-facing on weekends and having logistical issues to
>> > work through on top of that, it is not possible to commit to an all-day
>> > event, or a 24 hour+ one, more than a week or so in advance. Last year
>> I
>> > was a home station because I had to work throughout the day. This year
>> I
>> > had the time "off" from work, but not far enough out to get a seat at
>> the
>> > table.
>> >
>> > I do not doubt that the rules have made it so that clubs are hurting for
>> > people for their Alpha stations, out here in my corner of the Santa
>> Barbara
>> > Section it is not the case.
>> >
>> > Now while I was not operating "in the Field", I did provide support and
>> > assistance leading up to the event. I was involved in a few of the prep
>> > meetings, I provided coolers and chairs for people to use, I brought in
>> > supplies, and I even used my station to help the club troubleshoot a
>> > problem with one of their radios. I was the offsite ears to see if they
>> > were getting out (which the were not). I also broke bread with them at
>> > dinner and hung out afterwards and participated in our weekly Saturday
>> > night net from there.
>> >
>> > On the "humble brag" side, I did more than double my score from last
>> > year. Last year I had a total of 65 Qs and 410 points and this year I
>> had
>> > 236 Qs and 944 points. Plus this year I was able to get roughly 250
>> bonus
>> > points on top of that.
>> >
>> > Our county has "micro field days" each month with a solid average of
>> 10-20
>> > stations each time setting up and getting on the air, myself included,
>> so I
>> > have plenty of field time throughout the year, in the heat, in the rain,
>> > and in the wind.
>> >
>> > -73
>> > Ryan, KI6BTY
>> > On Sunday, June 23rd, 2024 at 7:35 PM, Dino Darling <dino at kx6d.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Ryan, the problem isn't the Delta stations. They have been around for
>> > decades and a good source of points for the club stations.
>> >
>> > The issue is, starting in 2020 they changed the rule that now allows
>> delta
>> > stations to contact delta stations for points. So the guys stopped
>> going to
>> > the field and all the delta stations with superior antennas are talking
>> to
>> > eachother. The guys in the field with wire antennas couldn't get heard.
>> > There is a reason that rule existed and after Covid they should of put
>> it
>> > back to the 2019 rules where Deltas could count any stations for points,
>> > except for other deltas. Its very simple even a Division Director could
>> > figure it out. Yet that rule exists still and there is no incentive to
>> put
>> > in the effort to go to the field. If they want Home Day they should
>> start
>> > their own contest.
>> >
>> > 2020 was a disaster for Field Stations. So much so they had to change
>> the
>> > rules again for 2021, and again for 2022!!! I wouldn't have believed
>> that
>> > people at HQ could be this stupid but they have proven me wrong.
>> >
>> > Just take away the points of D to D contacts and this problem goes away
>> in
>> > an instance. Even the Class D'Souza with amplifiers wasn't a problem in
>> > 2019. We never saw 7D or even 3D before 2020. Why now? Because its easy
>> to
>> > sit at home and ruin it for the guys in the field. One rule change. One
>> > SIMPLE rule change back to the way it was for DECADES...for good reason.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Dino - KX6D
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: Ryan Huggins <KI6BTY at pm.me>
>> > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2024 11:06:59 AM
>> > To: neiljessen at hotmail.com <neiljessen at hotmail.com>; Dino Darling <
>> > dino at kx6d.com>; k0xp at k0xp.com <k0xp at k0xp.com>
>> > Cc: Southern California Contesting Club <sccc at contesting.com>
>> > Subject: Re: RE: [SCCC] Field Day - Please help out the locals
>> >
>> >
>> > Out of curiosity, since the clasification isn't mentioned until after
>> > contact has been made, how would you know someone is a D so as not to
>> work
>> > them? Seems like that would be a big waste of time if you get into a
>> qso
>> > just to have to leave midway through.
>> >
>> > Interestingly, I probably have more D stations in my log than A stations
>> > and barely and Bs. No Cs or Es
>> >
>> > I'm over 200 QSOs and closing in on 900 points with what's left of the
>> > people out there. I suspect that most of the A stations are done for
>> the
>> > day now. I know mine is, due to the 24 hour rule if you setup early.
>> >
>> > -73
>> > Ryan, KI6BTY
>> >
>> > Sent from Proton Mail Android
>> >
>> >
>> > -------- Original Message --------
>> > On 6/23/24 10:57 AM, Neil Jessen wrote:
>> > I worked several "Delta" stations with multiple radios. 7D, 8D, 4D. I
>> am
>> > ok with Delta stations (gives old-timers, people with limited mobility a
>> > chance to participate, etc.) but the emphasis for FD is Field...not
>> working
>> > from home. Delta to Delta shouldn't count. It shouldn't be made
>> attractive
>> > to stay inside and work from home. That's my $0.02.
>> >
>> > 73,
>> > Neil - N6VHF
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -------- Original message --------
>> > From: Dino Darling <dino at kx6d.com>
>> > Date: 6/22/24 7:31 PM (GMT-08:00)
>> > To: Ryan Huggins <KI6BTY at pm.me>, Steve Harrison <k0xp at k0xp.com>
>> > Cc: sccc at contesting.com
>> > Subject: Re: [SCCC] Field Day - Please help out the locals
>> >
>> > So much with keeping the FIELD in Field Day! The ARRL has been screwing
>> > the pooch these past few years but really went too far when they allowed
>> > Class D stations to count other Class D stations for points. There was a
>> > reason that rule existed for DECADES. The newbies love it and the event
>> is
>> > now called Home Day.
>> >
>> >
>> > Dino - KX6D
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: SCCC <sccc-bounces at contesting.com> on behalf of Ryan Huggins via
>> > SCCC <sccc at contesting.com>
>> > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2024 10:56:00 AM
>> > To: Steve Harrison <k0xp at k0xp.com>
>> > Cc: sccc at contesting.com <sccc at contesting.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [SCCC] Field Day - Please help out the locals
>> >
>> > No, not a typo. I was 4D last year and there were a fair amount of 5D
>> and
>> > 6Ds last year as well as one guy who was a 9D!
>> >
>> > It's the number of transmitters that are sending at once. Four of my
>> > stations are FT8, that's a no brainer. Click "Enable TX" and you're
>> good
>> > to go. The LoRA is a similar beast. Press send on the phone, it
>> > bluetooths to the device and TXs the message. #6 and #7 will be me
>> > pressing the pickle on two HTs at once and calling CQ on 2m and the 220
>> > calling frequency. I figure I'll work the HTs like that for most of the
>> > day and see what happens. I'll be between the three main HT bands. I
>> > don't expect to get many points from VHF/UHF or 6m for that matter, but
>> > we'll see.
>> >
>> >
>> > -73
>> > Ryan, KI6BTY
>> >
>> >
>> > On Saturday, June 22nd, 2024 at 10:16 AM, Steve Harrison <k0xp at k0xp.com
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > On 6/22/2024 10:13 AM, Ryan Huggins via SCCC wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > The Conejo Valley ARC will be operating 20A today on all bands and
>> > modes.
>> > > >
>> > > > I'm operating 7D from home,
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Izzat a typo, 7D???
>> > >
>> > > Stve, K0XP
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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