[SECC] US qso's

[Gordon]

I really did not want to weigh in on this subject since my score is never 
high enough to be affected one way or the other but I thought the following 
may illustrate that fairness does rule in the rules.

V. MULTIPLIER: Two types of multiplier
will be used.
1. A multiplier of one (1) for each different
zone contacted on each band.
2. A multiplier of one (1) for each different
country contacted on each band.
Stations are permitted to contact their
own country and zone for multiplier


VII. SCORING: All stations: the final
score is the result of the total QSO
points multiplied by the sum of your
zone and country multipliers. Example:
1000 QSO points × 100 multiplier (30
Zones + 70 Countries) = 100,000 (final
score).

Now, the way I read this is that if I contact a stateside station in zone 5 
and have not yet worked zone 5, I go 0 points for qso points but I also get 
credit for a multiplier in zone 5 because I have not worked zone 5 
previously. The qso points would be short one but the multiplier credit is 
still there and when multiplied will give the score as the rules permit. 
The giving of qso points for stateside conteacts in this contest negates the 
DX part of the contest.  So one doesn't get QSO points for in-country 
contacts, big deal!  The multiplier helps out though.  Let's leave it as is 
and not prompt those who would "rule" us to death!  My solution to a contest 
where I don't like the rules?  Turn off the bleeding radio!

The micro Pistol
K4OD
Macon, GA

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ted Bryant" <W4NZ at comcast.net>
To: "ACG" <Contest at alabamacontestgroup.org>; "SECC" <secc at contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [SECC] US qso's


> Since this subject seems to come up each year after the contest, doesn't 
> it
> indicate there are areas in the rules which could be improved? I'm 
> surprised
> this hasn't already popped up on the CQ-CONTEST reflector.
>
> I agree with Dave that the CQWW rules committee will never allow points 
> for
> US-US or other same-zone/same-country QSO's.  It would likely totally 
> change
> the "flavor" of (and ruin, imho) the contest.
>
> The idea of allowing zero-point QSO's in any contest where we judge 
> results
> based on score runs completely against the competitive nature of that same
> contest.
>
> In previous discussions it was pointed out that since the CQWW is a "DX"
> contest, allowing multiplier credit for same-country or same-zone QSO's
> violates that premise. It was suggested that these QSO's be disallowed
> completely, nullifying the whole issue of points. Doing this would affect
> those places where an "entity" covers a complete zone.  Stations in that
> zone would lose their zone/country as a multiplier. But there are very few
> of these situations: Zone 2 in Canada and Zone 6 (Mexico, including XF4) 
> and
> zone 18/19 Asiatic Russia.
>
> Some will argue, "Well, I can't work all 40 zones."  Or, "I'll lose two
> multipliers." (Where's the "DX" in working the zone/country you're sitting
> in?)
>
> But, if the potential loss of a couple of multipliers for a very few
> stations is the price to pay for "fixing" the zero-point issue, it seems 
> to
> me it is well worth it.
>
> Thanks for allowing my 2-cents from an interested "outsider" (though I do
> participate on the SE Sprint Coalition teams)
>
> 73, Ted W4NZ
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: secc-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:secc-bounces at contesting.com]On
> Behalf Of David Thompson
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:14 PM
> To: Courtney Judd K4WI; ACG
> Cc: SECC
> Subject: Re: [SECC] US qso's
>
>
> I don't think CQ WW will ever let us count points for US to US Q's.
> Everyone else will howl.  Non NA DX  don't like the 2 point rule as it is.
>
> The best we can hope for is that the US stations we work put the QSO in 
> the
> log.
>
> Years ago (1979) when I was operating Single Band 40 K3WW and K0RF called 
> me
> for the mult.  Chas told me he could count on his QSO being in the log. 
> So
> this has been going on for a long time.
>
> 73 Dave K4JRB
>
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