[SECC] Club Competition
John Laney
k4bai at att.net
Wed Nov 11 11:35:46 EST 2020
There is actually a precedent for that. It used to be that many, many
contest score points were submitted for the South East DX Club. I
submitted many of them. As a result, SEDXC got to name a team captain
for WRTC 1996. That's how W4AN and I went as a team and came in second
place. When SECC was started, we had an agreement for those who
belonged to both clubs that SECC would submit their scores for the CQ
160M contests for SEDXC and SEDXC would submit for SECC in other
contests that the SEDXC wasn't really interested in. At that time,
SEDXC was a big supporter of the CQ 160M contests and sponsored many of
its plaques. Interest in that and actually in submitting points for any
contest for SEDXC has dropped to almost nothing. I really don't
understand why the DXers in that club don't support particularly the DX
contests. Except for those who have dual memberships and submit for
SECC, I almost never see any club participation from SEDXC members who
are not also SECC members in any contests except the Georgia QSO Party,
which is co-sponsored by SEDXC and SECC. GCG also agreed once to
co-sponsor the GQP,, but there was no follow through on that. I send a
copy of my weekly score and summary of upcoming contests to the SEDXC
reflector every week, but that doesn't have much interest to the general
rank and file member apparently. SEDXC continues to have well attended
in person meetings most months and a newsletter. I am probably the
second longest continuous member of SEDXC (probably second to K4TEA and
perhaps W4NU). I joined in 1962.
I want to promote contest activity any way it is possible and club score
submissions and team score submissions are only two good ways out of
many others. 73, John.
On 11/11/2020 11:07 AM, Jeff Clarke wrote:
>
> As I said in my initial email everyone can still belong to their local
> contest club in addition to the SECC. I think the perfect scenario is
> for all of us in the circle to submit our ARRL Sweepstakes scores for
> SECC. If you choose to submit your scores for other contests to your
> local club that's fine. If there's another contest your club isn't
> into you could also submit those for SECC as well. If GCG members
> would agree to do this I would submit my ARRL DX and CQWW scores for
> GCG to return the favor.
>
> Jeff
>
> On 11/11/2020 01:12 AM, Dave Edmonds wrote:
>> I'v ebeen a member of SECC since 2014 or 2015. John BAI recruited me
>> to SECC. Within a year or so, I heard about the Swamp Fox CG which
>> was a very small and young contest club. I joined that club because
>> it was the only South Carolina CC and because I had developed
>> friendships with a few of the members. It was small enough that you
>> got to know the active members. The club as 25 or so members and
>> about half of those members are competitive ops and several are in
>> the top 10 in the majors. We have an identity. Another incentive to
>> join SFCG is that we have a in-club competition, SFOTA.com.
>>
>> I joined the SFCG because the two clubs were different. I know who
>> the SFCG members and there is active communication between the
>> members. SECC is a much larger club with a larger geographic area.
>> What's the common bond of SECC members?
>>
>> I was trying to think of some SECC members... K4BAI KU8E WW4LL K2SX
>> N4GG and then I started drawing a blank.
>>
>> Thank you John for keeping things going... and to you Jeff for your
>> commitment too.
>>
>> 73s Dave WN4AFP
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 12:05 AM Jeff Clarke <ku8e at ku8e.com
>> <mailto:ku8e at ku8e.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> Although W4AN was a good guy and encouraged activity I think
>> since he
>> passed away K4BAI has taken over that role and has done a pretty
>> good
>> job. I try to do that as well but unfortunately despite John and my
>> cheer-leading it seems to have fallen on deaf ears. The only
>> discussion
>> on the reflector other than score reporting seems to be only when I
>> occasionally bring up a subject. If you look at the reflector
>> archives
>> the majority of the posts are from K4BAI. Not really sure why no
>> one
>> else wants to discuss contesting. I remember back when I first
>> joined
>> SECC I made the suggestion about maybe have occasionally having in
>> person meetings. That idea was shot down by many. If you're an
>> internet
>> based club like we are and have very little activity on the
>> reflector
>> and if your not willing to have an occasional in person meeting
>> that's
>> not good.
>>
>> I think the real downfall of SECC started when there was a
>> splintering
>> of of SECC with other regional clubs forming around us. In our
>> part of
>> the county we don't seem to have enough serious contesters like the
>> PVRC, FRC or FCG to have a big regional club. I'm afraid if
>> someone else
>> other than K4BAI doesn't step forward and volunteer to be club
>> president
>> that when he isn't around anymore as a cheerleader that the SECC
>> will
>> become irrelevant.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>> On 11/10/2020 07:51 PM, Bill Coleman wrote:
>> > I don’t mean to be critical of either Kevan or Jeff here, but I
>> just want to point something out.
>> >
>> > Part of the problem with having activity in the SECC is that
>> people are posting their activity to other groups.
>> >
>> > You’d have more activity in the SECC if these other groups
>> weren’t such a distraction.
>> >
>> > I’ve been a member of the SECC since it’s inception. I think
>> the club lost some of its momentum when Bill Fisher W4AN passed.
>> >
>> > One thing Bill did was encourage people to operate. Didn’t have
>> to be big scores, just makes some Qs. I think that’s what we
>> need. A tail twister.
>> >
>> > Another thing which might be helpful is to have more useful
>> discussion on the reflector — which is, honestly, our clubhouse.
>> >
>> > Any one doing anything interesting? Any station improvements?
>> Contemplating any persona goals for upcoming contests?
>> >
>> > Perhaps have some discussion about operating techniques,
>> challenges, etc.
>> >
>> > If we are having discussions, perhaps we’d be more accountable
>> to each other.
>> >
>> >> On Nov 10, 2020, at 3:01 PM, Kevan Nason <knason00 at gmail.com
>> <mailto:knason00 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Jeff,
>> >>
>> >> Ed, K3DNE, is President of the SFCG and has been very
>> interested in boosting activity of that group. Know it wasn't my
>> place to do it, and hope you don't mind, but I took the liberty
>> of forwarding this to him for his consideration even before the
>> SECC group spoke up. Give him some time to think up some options
>> too. We've talked about activity and I know he is open to and
>> actively seeking ideas. I copied him in on this email too so you
>> two have each other's email address.
>> >>
>> >> As to SECC activity, that's why I now belong to both the SECC
>> and SFCG -- and the unmentioned DDCC. If the SECC had been an
>> active organization I wouldn't now be posting scores for the
>> SFCG. John, K4BAI, and I talked about this years ago. I was very
>> active in the club and post all the time. Not because I'm a
>> know-it-all as some seem to think, but because I'm enthusiastic
>> about contesting and love to share what I've learned and
>> discovered about it with others. Usually it is stuff others
>> taught me and experienced ops already know. But I digress... In
>> my opinion, the SECC has been fading away for a long time. Hardly
>> anyone seemed interested and anything other than a post of your
>> score was a rarity. You couldn't drum up a conversation no matter
>> how hard you tried. I asked myself what the point of a contest
>> club is if there isn't any sharing of ideas. The spinoff and
>> other regional groups you describe tell me I wasn't the only one
>> that felt that way. Haven't told you, but I've been very happy
>> you have started to rekindle things a bit Jeff. However, from my
>> perspective it will be hard to put the "Jumping Ship" Genie back
>> in the bottle and bring back those of us who have strayed. The
>> new blood coming in might be the best focus for rejuvenation
>> efforts. Just my opinion though and I've certainly been wrong
>> many times in my life.
>> >>
>> >> The DDCC is drawing talent from this region too. Their
>> location diversity makes it harder for them to compete in an ARRL
>> circle event though.
>> >>
>> >> So, I guess to sum up I'd say targeted regional competitions
>> are a great idea. Ed, K3DNE, has kicked around that thought too.
>> Change needs cooperation and membership effort. Hope people step
>> up. I did tell Ed that I thought maybe the SECC was a bit of a
>> giant compared to the SECC. Not sure how competitive the SFCG
>> would be. But we're getting (and growing) some good contesters
>> and folks are beginning to improve their stations, so maybe
>> something can be worked out. Regardless of how things go with the
>> SFCG it is good to hear the SECC looking to shake things up for
>> themselves. It's needed.
>> >>
>> >> Kevan N4XL
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 1:54 PM Jeff Clarke <ku8e at ku8e.com
>> <mailto:ku8e at ku8e.com>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Back when I lived in Ohio I was a long time member (and
>> president a
>> >> couple times in the 1990's) of the Mad River Radio Club.
>> Sometime in the
>> >> 1980's the activity in the club was lacking and some
>> disgruntled members
>> >> formed the North Coast Contesters. Does this sound familiar?
>> The same
>> >> thing happened here when the Alabama Contest Group, Georgia
>> Contest
>> >> Group and Swamp Fox Contest Group were formed. The South East
>> Contest
>> >> Club is actually just a former shell of itself. For those that
>> are new
>> >> the South East Contest Club won the Sweepstakes medium
>> category club
>> >> competition a couple times in the early 2000's.
>> >>
>> >> See below the entries for each club submitted (posted on 3830)
>> for 2020
>> >> CW Sweepstakes : SECC -
>> >> https://www.3830scores.com/currecscores.php?arg=JUccv3zbmyvqp
>> <https://www.3830scores.com/currecscores.php?arg=JUccv3zbmyvqp>
>> >>
>> >> GCG -
>> https://www.3830scores.com/currecscores.php?arg=JUccv3zbmyvqp
>> <https://www.3830scores.com/currecscores.php?arg=JUccv3zbmyvqp>
>> >>
>> >> ACG -
>> https://www.3830scores.com/currecscores.php?arg=JUccv3zbmyvqp
>> <https://www.3830scores.com/currecscores.php?arg=JUccv3zbmyvqp>
>> >>
>> >> Swamp Fox -
>> https://www.3830scores.com/currecscores.php?arg=JUccv3zbmyvqp
>> <https://www.3830scores.com/currecscores.php?arg=JUccv3zbmyvqp>
>> >>
>> >> All though there were some big scores posted (especially in
>> SECC and
>> >> GCG) the activity by all these clubs was pretty underwhelming. I
>> >> calculated if the SECC and GCG had submitted one club entry
>> (as either
>> >> GCG or SECC) we would've had 1,612,542 points for just CW
>> weekend. If
>> >> you add in what might happen in SSB weekend this could turn
>> out to be a
>> >> pretty good club score. If you look at
>> >> https://contest-clubs.arrl.org/viewlists.php
>> <https://contest-clubs.arrl.org/viewlists.php> which lists all the
>> >> eligible members for each club you will also find that there
>> are many
>> >> that still belong to the SECC and these other clubs with the
>> exception
>> >> of ACG. K4BAI is the only SECC member that still belongs to
>> ACG and no
>> >> one in Alabama is in SECC anymore.
>> >>
>> >> Back to the Mad River Radio Club story... After awhile the
>> two clubs
>> >> figured out they had different interests. The members of North
>> Coast
>> >> Contesters found they were more interested in DX contests
>> while the MRRC
>> >> was more into domestic contests. So they made a deal that
>> members of
>> >> both clubs would submit their DX contest results for NCC and
>> domestic
>> >> contest scores for MRRC. They continue to do this today. I'm
>> wondering
>> >> if there might be an interest in doing something similar here?
>> Form the
>> >> ARRL club list I found out I'm both of member of GCG in
>> addition the
>> >> SECC. So what if we made a deal that dual members would say
>> submit
>> >> their scores for GCG and domestic contests for SECC? This
>> doesn't have
>> >> to be set in stone and can agreed on every year. I don't think
>> there is
>> >> any animosity between members of these different clubs. Plus
>> there are
>> >> no rules that say you can't belong to more than one club.
>> >>
>> >> I'm interesting in hearing some feedback.
>> >>
>> >> Jeff KU8E
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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