[SEDXC] Remote operation

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

On 2014-10-03 12:00 PM, Hugh Valentine wrote:
 > Entire Rule:

The first sentence is unimportant in this case.  The prohibition on
"repeater" devices and power relay methods in the second sentence
stands on its own and could be read to prohibit "remote" operation.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-10-03 12:00 PM, Hugh Valentine wrote:
> Entire Rule:  6. All contacts must be made with amateur stations
> working in the authorized amateur bands or with other stations
> licensed or authorized to work amateurs. Contacts made through
> "repeater" devices or any other power relay methods (other than
> satellites for Satellite DXCC) are not valid for DXCC credit. Anyone
> know what the committee had(s) to say about this?  Have they
> responded to this element and how have they argued around it?
> ValN4RJ
>
> ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Joe Subich, W4TV"
> <lists at subich.com> To: sedxc at contesting.com Subject: Re: [SEDXC]
> Remote operation Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 11:30:46 -0400
>
> Another thought ...
>
> DXCC Rules prohibit the use of "Repeaters"
>> 6. ... Contacts made through "repeater" devices or any other power
>> relay methods (other than satellites for Satellite DXCC) are
>> invalid for DXCC credit.
>
> Should "Remote" operation - e.g. use of VoIP technology as a
> "powered relay" to relay the operator to a remote location - not be
> prohibited under this rule?  What is the difference whether the relay
> takes place at "baseband" ("audio" input and output) or RF (e.g. a
> UHF handheld on a remote base)?  Both involve a powered "relay"
> function.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 2014-10-02 9:59 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>>
>>> I don't see how the idea of remote not counting got started. For
>>> example, the Jan 2014 CQ had a ham on the front cover who
>>> operated his Northern VA station from his winter Florida home.
>>
>> I have no problem with operating one's *home station* remotely for
>> DXCC credit.  I do have a problem with renting a rig in New
>> England to work 7O in the morning and then renting a rig in Western
>> Washington to work P5 in the evening.
>>
>> Given the ability to "borrow" a station anywhere in the "Lower 48"
>> at any time, it's probably less expensive (and a lot less work) to
>> reach the top of the Honor Roll or a DXCC Challenge score of 3000+
>> by renting existing super stations in advantaged locations than by
>> building an effective station and spending the seat time necessary
>> to do it the old way.  If this is the new standard, why not accept
>> SMS "QSOs" with the necessary countries and dispense with amateur
>> stations completely?
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>> On 2014-10-02 9:28 AM, David Thompson wrote:
>>> Remote operation is LEGAL and counts for DXCC.  I don't see how
>>> the idea of remote not counting got started.   For example, the
>>> Jan 2014 CQ had a ham on the front cover who operated his
>>> Northern VA station from his winter Florida home.  There is some
>>> discussion at ARRL HQ as to distances but right now there is no
>>> distance limitation.  Rule 9 is the same as for any other
>>> operation and that is qithin the same DXCC entity which for us is
>>> USA (continental USA).
>>>
>>> As to using your call at another station that too is legal.  Rule
>>> 9 again applies.  Some of us feel that this is on shaky ground
>>> but that is just our opinion.
>>>
>>> 73 Dave K4JRB DXAC SE Division ARRL
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