[SEDXC] Remote operation

[Hugh Valentine]

Entire Rule:  6. All contacts must be made with amateur stations working in the authorized amateur bands or with other stations licensed or authorized to work amateurs. Contacts made through "repeater" devices or any other power relay methods (other than satellites for Satellite DXCC) are not valid for DXCC credit. Anyone know what the committee had(s) to say about this?  Have they responded to this element and how have they argued around it? ValN4RJ

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists at subich.com>
To: sedxc at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [SEDXC] Remote operation
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 11:30:46 -0400

Another thought ...

DXCC Rules prohibit the use of "Repeaters"
 > 6. ... Contacts made through "repeater" devices or any other power
 > relay methods (other than satellites for Satellite DXCC) are invalid
 > for DXCC credit.

Should "Remote" operation - e.g. use of VoIP technology as a "powered
relay" to relay the operator to a remote location - not be prohibited
under this rule?  What is the difference whether the relay takes place
at "baseband" ("audio" input and output) or RF (e.g. a UHF handheld on
a remote base)?  Both involve a powered "relay" function.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-10-02 9:59 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
>> I don't see how the idea of remote not counting got started. For
>> example, the Jan 2014 CQ had a ham on the front cover who operated
>> his Northern VA station from his winter Florida home.
>
> I have no problem with operating one's *home station* remotely for
> DXCC credit.  I do have a problem with renting a rig in New England
> to work 7O in the morning and then renting a rig in Western Washington
> to work P5 in the evening.
>
> Given the ability to "borrow" a station anywhere in the "Lower 48" at
> any time, it's probably less expensive (and a lot less work) to reach
> the top of the Honor Roll or a DXCC Challenge score of 3000+ by renting
> existing super stations in advantaged locations than by building an
> effective station and spending the seat time necessary to do it the
> old way.  If this is the new standard, why not accept SMS "QSOs" with
> the necessary countries and dispense with amateur stations completely?
>
> 73,
>
>     ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 2014-10-02 9:28 AM, David Thompson wrote:
>> Remote operation is LEGAL and counts for DXCC.  I don't see how the idea
>> of remote not counting got started.   For example, the Jan 2014 CQ had a
>> ham on the front cover who operated his Northern VA station from his
>> winter Florida home.  There is some discussion at ARRL HQ as to
>> distances but right now there is no distance limitation.  Rule 9 is the
>> same as for any other operation and that is qithin the same DXCC entity
>> which for us is USA (continental USA).
>>
>> As to using your call at another station that too is legal.  Rule 9
>> again applies.  Some of us feel that this is on shaky ground but that is
>> just our opinion.
>>
>> 73 Dave K4JRB
>> DXAC SE Division ARRL
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