[Skimmertalk] Archive?

[Stan Stockton]

Dick,

Can't figure out whether you were trying to answer the question or not.

Just "Skimming" this, I think maybe we are all in the SOL category  ;o-)

73...Stan, K5GO

---- Dick Dievendorff <dieven at comcast.net> wrote: 
> Some have argued that a local CWSkimmer, being technology and not human, is
> not "assistance". They argue that "assistance" means "human assistance" and
> not "non-human technology assistance". Since CWSkimmer is non-human, it
> therefore should be allowed in SO.
> 
> A packet cluster and the older VHF spotting networks (up until a year ago)
> are spotting, involve humans, and have some aspects of remote receiving.
> Use of these have been permitted in the SOA and multi-op categories.
> 
> A pure CWSkimmer cluster, as distinct from other spotting networks, is
> spotting, does not involve humans, and have some aspects of remote
> receiving. 
> 
> Some argue that a CWSkimmer cluster is "remote receiver", and not available
> in any category, including multi-op and SOA.  Why?  Because it's technology
> and not people?  If I introduce one manual packet spot into a CWSkimmer
> cluster, does that make it not a remote receiver?  I don't get the
> distinction between a CWSkimmer cluster (spotting assistance from offsite
> means) and a PacketCluster network, other than PacketCluster involves
> offsite humans.
> 
> TODAY if I operate alone and use no spotting tools, I'm SO.
> If I operate alone and use packet cluster, I'm SOA.
> If I have a guy in my shack tuning around, it's multi-op. We also can use
> packet.
> If I have a crew in my shack tuning around and also using packet cluster,
> it's multi-op.
> If I connect to a packet cluster spotting network, feeding me spots from
> other people using remote receivers, it's SOA.
> 
> TOMORROW if I am alone and use a local CWSkimmer, I'm either SO or SOA or
> SOU or SOL (depending on who you ask).
> 
> If I operate alone and connect to a public CWSkimmer spotting network, fed
> by spots from other CWSkimmer owners using remote receivers, it's "not
> permitted" because it's remote receivers?  I don't see this one as distinct
> from the packet cluster.  I think this one is SOA, not SOL.
> 
> If I connect to a public packet spotting network that is fed by humans as
> well as CWSkimmer owners, then I'm multi-op or SOA, but I'm certainly no
> more "remote receiver" than I was before CWSkimmers were added to the packet
> spotting net.
> 
> I'm trying to determine what "assistance" means.  Is it "other people"?  Is
> it "off site"?  Is it "spotting"?  Which is it?
> 
> If it's "other people", then SO permits local CWSkimmer AS WELL AS a pure
> CWSkimmer cluster, but not packet cluster.
> If it's "off site", then SO permits local CWSkimmer, but neither CWSkimmer
> cluster nor packet cluster.
> If it's "spotting", then SO does not allow local CWSkimmer, CWSkimmer
> cluster, or packet cluster.
> 
> 
> Dick, K6KR
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: skimmertalk-bounces at contesting.com
> [mailto:skimmertalk-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Stan Stockton
> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 7:18 AM
> To: dieven at msn.com; skimmertalk at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [Skimmertalk] Archive?
> 
> > The contest organizers created SOA to mean "SO + spotting help using 
> > the efforts of other people".
> 
> What is the source that provided you with this information?
> 
> Stan, K5GO 
> 
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