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Sorry, cannot resist not to interfere.
> > More to the point is that you've tried to create a red
> > herring by equating CW Skimmer with simple CW decoders
> Again, it is not a "red herring." CW Skimmer = receiver +
> CW Decoder, that's a fact.
It is not a fact. A fact is that Skimmer = receiver + hundreds of decoders
working independently of an operator and providing him with an analisys of
what is going on on the band.
CW Skimmer and a SO2R station
> using WriteLog have the very same resources - two receivers
> and a CW decoder. The only difference is how those parts
> are assembled/used.
Again, the difference is in:
1. Quantity of receivers aka decoders
2. A necessity for an operator to tune to a desired station in order to get
her signal decoded. Skimmer tunes to every signal on the band instantly and
without any intervention from an operator.
> It is not up to contest sponsors or others who harbor prejudice
> against technological advancement to determine how the operator
> to use the available tools (e.g., whether the operator uses an
> Icom, Kenwood, Elecraft or Flex-Radio receiver and whether the
> operator uses a W5XD or VE3NEA decoder) any more than the sponsor
> of a fly fishing tournament can require the participants to use
> a specific brand of fly rod or prohibit the use of hand tied
Do you mean, regardless contest sponsors' wishes everybody can use, say,
> The rule concerning "assistance" was never based on cw decoders,
> number of receivers, or any other technology used by the operator.
> It only pertains to the participation by someone other than the
> (single) station operator. Everything else ... all the claims
> that "CW decoders" or specific software are "assistance" is a
> red herring.
Assistance means sharing of some of operator's functions with somebody else.
Packet spots are provided by remote operators. Skimmer does the same with
hundreds of virtual operators, if you wish. In the both cases a part of work
has been done without any actual involvement of the operator.
The old-fashionned group of people called, Single Operators simply want to
stay away from ANY assistance and to do everything by themselves, nothing
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: skimmertalk-bounces at contesting.com
> > [mailto:skimmertalk-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of David Gilbert
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 12:41 PM
> > To: Joe Subich, W4TV
> > Cc: skimmertalk at contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: [Skimmertalk] Archive?
> > The first statement isn't even remotely true. If it were, the
> > organizers of a bicycle race held on city streets would be
> > required to
> > allow legless individuals to compete on mopeds. I'm
> > confident that you
> > cannot find, either from the ADA website or any other ruling you can
> > find, a case where the ADA has been applied for any similar
> > activity as
> > you claim it should be for CW in an amateur radio event.
> > Regarding your second statement, that may or may not be true.
> > The fact
> > is that the contest sponsors can make any changes they want
> > to, either
> > in rules or category definitions, in order to adjust to evolving
> > technologies. More to the point is that you've tried to create a red
> > herring by equating CW Skimmer with simple CW decoders, and
> > to quote the
> > recent ruling in Parhat v Gates
> > (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/30/court.poem/index.html
> > ), saying
> > it three times (or more) doesn't make it true.
> > Dave AB7E
> > Joe Subich, W4TV wrote (in separate postings):
> > 1. ADA applies to all activities conducted on/in public
> > facilities and
> > all facilities open to the public. The amateur spectrum is certainly
> > a "public facility."
> > 2. The rules as currently written do not require a specific
> > method of detection. To change them after more than 10 years
> > in which
> > CW decoding has been used and now that a non-trivial number of
> > participants use decoders would be a travesty.
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