[NZ4O Spaceweather] Spaceweather Digest, Vol 20, Issue 2

Mon Jan 3 05:39:06 PST 2011

Dear amigos:
My point of view is that the person in charge of this list should RETHINK
what is posted by him on it.
In other words... keep it as a REAL SPACEWEATHER  LIST...
If Thomas continues to post unrelated matters, I too will unsubscribe
to reduce the clutter into the hard drives !!!
Happy 2011 to all !!!
73 and DX
Arnie Coro
CO2KK

On 01/03/2011 08:28 AM, James Puah wrote:
> This list has got certain 'entertainment value'. Other than that, I hope to learn some serious stuff, otherwise I too am considering unsubscribing from the list before it becomes a waste of space on my hardisk.
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> James Puah  9V1JP
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>     1. Global Climate Changes not The Responsibility	of Man
>        (ffuhrer at elmore.rr.com)
>     2. Re: Global Climate Changes not The	Responsibilityof Man (K4TR)
>     3. Re: Global Climate Changes not The	Responsibility of Man
>        (Yannick XV4TUJ)
>     4. Re: Global Climate Changes not	TheResponsibility of Man (Dave)
>     5. Re: Global Climate Changes not	TheResponsibility of Man
>        (Patrick Weatherford)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 0:41:03 +0000
> From:<ffuhrer at elmore.rr.com>
> Subject: [NZ4O Spaceweather] Global Climate Changes not The
> 	Responsibility	of Man
> To: spaceweather at contesting.com
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> Hi All,
>   I've lurked here for almost six months, getting info on propagation. Now that the subject of "Global Climate Change" has come up repeatedly enough, I'll give you my take: Man cannot affect climate change anymore that we could move the Earth out of it's orbit. Al Gore is a incorrect, and I will tell you why. Our Sun is a long period variable star, cooling and warming in cycles that span centuries. The last ice age was a result of the Sun's cooling to a point where the world temperature dropped an average of 11 degrees. Now, the Sun's temperature has risen enough for us to notice it in the weather changes around the world. The oceans are the warmest in recorded history, as is the land. This causes the Earth to release CO2, and methane and other related greenhouse gasses several orders of magnitude higher than it ever has. Destruction of tropical rain forests by climate change, and Man has had an additional effect, but not to the extent that Mister Gore has claimed. Man's contr
>   ibution to the greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere has been estimated to be less than 1% of the total amount the Earth has generated. Another thing; why has the UK and western Europe having freezing weather and record amounts of snow? Check out the Gulf Stream - has it changed any?
>
>   The point I am trying to make is that this change in climate is NATURAL, not man made. We cannot stop or lessen the effect of the Sun's warming trend Science and Science Fiction has given us the things we might be able to do in the future, when our level of technology has increased, but for now, all we can do is prepare to "weather the storm". Literally. If you own beach front property anywhere, perhaps in ten or twenty years you sell it, and let somebody else take the loss.
>
>   Many proposals have been put forward, such as erecting a shield between the Earth and Sun at a Lagrange point (not possible now that the Government has canceled NASA's new replacement for the Shuttle), throwing pure carbon into the Sun's photosphere to slow the Sun's fusion process (risky, how MUCH carbon, and how do we get it there?), causing a volcanic eruption to throw dust into the upper atmosphere to block the Sun's heat (more practical with today's technology, but in whose backyard do we do this?), or repairing the ozone layer and intensifying it (nobody knows how to fight the Earth's natural processes enough to make this very practical).
>
>   So what do we do about the biggest object in our solar system? "Necessity is the mother of invention", and that old saw works. Scientists in our future may be able to solve the problem, given enough incentive, and of course, money. Hopefully we can harden our power grid enough to not lose it and plunge our civilization back 100 years. CME's are very bad news, and we will see more of them - guaranteed. Let's pray that the Sun does not throw one directly at us. In any case, our world is going to see changes that no one in living memory has ever seen.
>
> Best Regards,
> Fred - W4FJF.
> --
>
> A Human Being should be able to change a diaper, write a sonnet, plan an invasion, butcher a cow, conn a ship, design a building, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze problems, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, and die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
>   quoted from R.A.H. 1973.
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 19:59:40 -0500
> From: "K4TR"<k4tr at bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [NZ4O Spaceweather] Global Climate Changes not The
> 	Responsibilityof Man
> To: "Solar,	Space&  Geomagnetic Weather Plus An LF/MF/HF/6 Meter
> 	FrequencyRadiowave	Propagation Forecast"<spaceweather at contesting.com>
> Message-ID:<58098169830E479BA8765519BA293106 at JoeDubePC>
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> Seems like you would have been a better choice for the Nobel Prize
> Fred!!!!!!!
>
> Joe Dube K4TR
> K4TR Antenna Mfg&  Sales
> www.k4tr.com
> 352-232-0281
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>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:<ffuhrer at elmore.rr.com>
> To:<spaceweather at contesting.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 7:41 PM
> Subject: [NZ4O Spaceweather] Global Climate Changes not The Responsibilityof
> Man
>
>
>> Hi All,
>> I've lurked here for almost six months, getting info on propagation. Now
>> that the subject of "Global Climate Change" has come up repeatedly enough,
>> I'll give you my take: Man cannot affect climate change anymore that we
>> could move the Earth out of it's orbit. Al Gore is a incorrect, and I will
>> tell you why. Our Sun is a long period variable star, cooling and warming
>> in cycles that span centuries. The last ice age was a result of the Sun's
>> cooling to a point where the world temperature dropped an average of 11
>> degrees. Now, the Sun's temperature has risen enough for us to notice it
>> in the weather changes around the world. The oceans are the warmest in
>> recorded history, as is the land. This causes the Earth to release CO2,
>> and methane and other related greenhouse gasses several orders of
>> magnitude higher than it ever has. Destruction of tropical rain forests by
>> climate change, and Man has had an additional effect, but not to the
>> extent that Mister Gore has claimed. Man's contr
>> ibution to the greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere has been estimated to
>> be less than 1% of the total amount the Earth has generated. Another
>> thing; why has the UK and western Europe having freezing weather and
>> record amounts of snow? Check out the Gulf Stream - has it changed any?
>>
>> The point I am trying to make is that this change in climate is NATURAL,
>> not man made. We cannot stop or lessen the effect of the Sun's warming
>> trend. Science and Science Fiction has given us the things we might be
>> able to do in the future, when our level of technology has increased, but
>> for now, all we can do is prepare to "weather the storm". Literally. If
>> you own beach front property anywhere, perhaps in ten or twenty years you
>> sell it, and let somebody else take the loss.
>>
>> Many proposals have been put forward, such as erecting a shield between
>> the Earth and Sun at a Lagrange point (not possible now that the
>> Government has canceled NASA's new replacement for the Shuttle), throwing
>> pure carbon into the Sun's photosphere to slow the Sun's fusion process
>> (risky, how MUCH carbon, and how do we get it there?), causing a volcanic
>> eruption to throw dust into the upper atmosphere to block the Sun's heat
>> (more practical with today's technology, but in whose backyard do we do
>> this?), or repairing the ozone layer and intensifying it (nobody knows how
>> to fight the Earth's natural processes enough to make this very
>> practical).
>>
>> So what do we do about the biggest object in our solar system? "Necessity
>> is the mother of invention", and that old saw works. Scientists in our
>> future may be able to solve the problem, given enough incentive, and of
>> course, money. Hopefully we can harden our power grid enough to not lose
>> it and plunge our civilization back 100 years. CME's are very bad news,
>> and we will see more of them - guaranteed. Let's pray that the Sun does
>> not throw one directly at us. In any case, our world is going to see
>> changes that no one in living memory has ever seen.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Fred - W4FJF.
>> --
>>
>> A Human Being should be able to change a diaper, write a sonnet, plan an
>> invasion, butcher a cow, conn a ship, design a building, balance accounts,
>> build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders,
>> cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze problems, pitch manure,
>> program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, and die
>> gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
>> quoted from R.A.H. 1973.
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 12:22:31 +0700
> From: Yannick XV4TUJ<yannick.devos at online.fr>
> Subject: Re: [NZ4O Spaceweather] Global Climate Changes not The
> 	Responsibility of Man
> To: "Solar,	Space&  Geomagnetic Weather Plus An LF/MF/HF/6 Meter
> 	Frequency Radiowave	Propagation Forecast"
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> Hi Fred,
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> I agree with you, and I think your skepticism is a good scientific behavior
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