[NZ4O Spaceweather] Global Climate Changes not TheResponsibility of Man

Mon Jan 3 15:54:40 PST 2011

Hi,

I apologize for the disturbance I caused with my last message.
I was just kidding, trying to reject with wrong arguments something that was for me widely accepted.
I forgot that in the US you have this "conspiracy" stuff and that some people try to reject even the more evident fact.
I am not a "conspiracy" advocate... just a bad joker. Sorry for that.

If one had to unsubscribe it is me, but I think Thomas propagation bulletin is of a great help.
Please don't unsubscribe because of me, I will shut up now.

72/73,
Yan.
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Yannick DEVOS - XV4TUJ
http://capheda.wordpress.com/ (Blog in french)
http://www.qsl.net/xv4tuj/ (web page in english)

Le 3 janv. 2011 à 19:36, Dave a écrit :

> Oh, I'm sorry now this group is decending into being rediculous.
> 
> I'll leave you all to your conspiracy theories and will get my spaceweather 
> information elsewhere.
> 
> Bye - Dave (G0DJA)
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Yannick XV4TUJ" <yannick.devos at online.fr>
> To: "Solar,Space & Geomagnetic Weather Plus An LF/MF/HF/6 Meter Frequency 
> RadiowavePropagation Forecast" <spaceweather at contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 5:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [NZ4O Spaceweather] Global Climate Changes not 
> TheResponsibility of Man
> 
> 
> Hi Fred,
> 
> I agree with you, and I think your skepticism is a good scientific behavior.
> For the really same reason I firmly think human never reached the moon : it 
> is far to high in the sky!
> And even if they were able to get there, how did they come back to earth : 
> the space is so vast.
> 
> If you really think about it, what is the easier : forge some fake pictures 
> and movies or send tons of materials and living bodies far in the space ?
> If the US government was then really concerned about the money of the 
> taxpayers, sure they would have elected the first solution.
> For more proofs, see how now with 40 years of technical improvements how 
> difficult it is to just send people to our close space in the ISS. How many 
> failures, how many launch reports... Even the chinese with all the money 
> they have selling stuff to the western countries are not able to do the same 
> thing. And they do not always think public opinion is something that really 
> matters...
> 
> Best wishes for this new solar year, and waiting for the new year coming in 
> our lunar calendar next month...
> 72/73,
> Yan.
> ---
> Yannick DEVOS - XV4TUJ
> http://capheda.wordpress.com/ (Blog in french)
> http://www.qsl.net/xv4tuj/ (web page in english)
> 
> Le 3 janv. 2011 à 07:41, <ffuhrer at elmore.rr.com> <ffuhrer at elmore.rr.com> a 
> écrit :
> 
>> Hi All,
>> I've lurked here for almost six months, getting info on propagation. Now 
>> that the subject of "Global Climate Change" has come up repeatedly enough, 
>> I'll give you my take: Man cannot affect climate change anymore that we 
>> could move the Earth out of it's orbit. Al Gore is a incorrect, and I will 
>> tell you why. Our Sun is a long period variable star, cooling and warming 
>> in cycles that span centuries. The last ice age was a result of the Sun's 
>> cooling to a point where the world temperature dropped an average of 11 
>> degrees. Now, the Sun's temperature has risen enough for us to notice it 
>> in the weather changes around the world. The oceans are the warmest in 
>> recorded history, as is the land. This causes the Earth to release CO2, 
>> and methane and other related greenhouse gasses several orders of 
>> magnitude higher than it ever has. Destruction of tropical rain forests by 
>> climate change, and Man has had an additional effect, but not to the 
>> extent that Mister Gore has claimed. Man's contr
>> ibution to the greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere has been estimated to 
>> be less than 1% of the total amount the Earth has generated. Another 
>> thing; why has the UK and western Europe having freezing weather and 
>> record amounts of snow? Check out the Gulf Stream - has it changed any?
>> 
>> The point I am trying to make is that this change in climate is NATURAL, 
>> not man made. We cannot stop or lessen the effect of the Sun's warming 
>> trend. Science and Science Fiction has given us the things we might be 
>> able to do in the future, when our level of technology has increased, but 
>> for now, all we can do is prepare to "weather the storm". Literally. If 
>> you own beach front property anywhere, perhaps in ten or twenty years you 
>> sell it, and let somebody else take the loss.
>> 
>> Many proposals have been put forward, such as erecting a shield between 
>> the Earth and Sun at a Lagrange point (not possible now that the 
>> Government has canceled NASA's new replacement for the Shuttle), throwing 
>> pure carbon into the Sun's photosphere to slow the Sun's fusion process 
>> (risky, how MUCH carbon, and how do we get it there?), causing a volcanic 
>> eruption to throw dust into the upper atmosphere to block the Sun's heat 
>> (more practical with today's technology, but in whose backyard do we do 
>> this?), or repairing the ozone layer and intensifying it (nobody knows how 
>> to fight the Earth's natural processes enough to make this very 
>> practical).
>> 
>> So what do we do about the biggest object in our solar system? "Necessity 
>> is the mother of invention", and that old saw works. Scientists in our 
>> future may be able to solve the problem, given enough incentive, and of 
>> course, money. Hopefully we can harden our power grid enough to not lose 
>> it and plunge our civilization back 100 years. CME's are very bad news, 
>> and we will see more of them - guaranteed. Let's pray that the Sun does 
>> not throw one directly at us. In any case, our world is going to see 
>> changes that no one in living memory has ever seen.
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> Fred - W4FJF.
>> --
>> 
>> A Human Being should be able to change a diaper, write a sonnet, plan an 
>> invasion, butcher a cow, conn a ship, design a building, balance accounts, 
>> build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, 
>> cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze problems, pitch manure, 
>> program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, and die 
>> gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
>> quoted from R.A.H. 1973.
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