[NZ4O Spaceweather] Global Climate Changes notTheResponsibility of Man

Mon Jan 3 16:46:05 PST 2011

Hi Tom,

I am getting a lot of emails from everyone, and I don't want to ...just
don't have the time to even delete them....sorry!

Is there any way others can stop sending me there comments etc?

If not, I understand,

Thanks, and 73,

Mark KF5DFV

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[mailto:spaceweather-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Thomas F. Giella
NZ4O
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 5:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [NZ4O Spaceweather] Global Climate Changes notTheResponsibility
of Man

Yannick don't worry you are a member of good standing here!

73,
Thomas, NZ4O

----- Original Message -----
From: "Yannick (XV4TUJ)" <yannick.devos at online.fr>
To: "Solar,Space & Geomagnetic Weather Plus An LF/MF/HF/6 Meter Frequency
RadiowavePropagation Forecast" <spaceweather at contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [NZ4O Spaceweather] Global Climate Changes notTheResponsibility
of Man

Hi,

I apologize for the disturbance I caused with my last message.
I was just kidding, trying to reject with wrong arguments something that was
for me widely accepted.
I forgot that in the US you have this "conspiracy" stuff and that some
people try to reject even the more evident fact.
I am not a "conspiracy" advocate... just a bad joker. Sorry for that.

If one had to unsubscribe it is me, but I think Thomas propagation bulletin
is of a great help.
Please don't unsubscribe because of me, I will shut up now.

72/73,
Yan.
---
Yannick DEVOS - XV4TUJ
http://capheda.wordpress.com/ (Blog in french) http://www.qsl.net/xv4tuj/
(web page in english)

Le 3 janv. 2011 à 19:36, Dave a écrit :

> Oh, I'm sorry now this group is decending into being rediculous.
>
> I'll leave you all to your conspiracy theories and will get my 
> spaceweather information elsewhere.
>
> Bye - Dave (G0DJA)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yannick XV4TUJ" <yannick.devos at online.fr>
> To: "Solar,Space & Geomagnetic Weather Plus An LF/MF/HF/6 Meter 
> Frequency RadiowavePropagation Forecast" <spaceweather at contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 5:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [NZ4O Spaceweather] Global Climate Changes not 
> TheResponsibility of Man
>
>
> Hi Fred,
>
> I agree with you, and I think your skepticism is a good scientific 
> behavior.
> For the really same reason I firmly think human never reached the moon : 
> it
> is far to high in the sky!
> And even if they were able to get there, how did they come back to earth :
> the space is so vast.
>
> If you really think about it, what is the easier : forge some fake 
> pictures and movies or send tons of materials and living bodies far in 
> the space ?
> If the US government was then really concerned about the money of the 
> taxpayers, sure they would have elected the first solution.
> For more proofs, see how now with 40 years of technical improvements 
> how difficult it is to just send people to our close space in the ISS. 
> How many failures, how many launch reports... Even the chinese with 
> all the money they have selling stuff to the western countries are not 
> able to do the same thing. And they do not always think public opinion 
> is something that really matters...
>
> Best wishes for this new solar year, and waiting for the new year 
> coming in our lunar calendar next month...
> 72/73,
> Yan.
> ---
> Yannick DEVOS - XV4TUJ
> http://capheda.wordpress.com/ (Blog in french) 
> http://www.qsl.net/xv4tuj/ (web page in english)
>
> Le 3 janv. 2011 à 07:41, <ffuhrer at elmore.rr.com> 
> <ffuhrer at elmore.rr.com> a écrit :
>
>> Hi All,
>> I've lurked here for almost six months, getting info on propagation. 
>> Now that the subject of "Global Climate Change" has come up 
>> repeatedly enough, I'll give you my take: Man cannot affect climate 
>> change anymore that we could move the Earth out of it's orbit. Al 
>> Gore is a incorrect, and I will tell you why. Our Sun is a long 
>> period variable star, cooling and warming in cycles that span 
>> centuries. The last ice age was a result of the Sun's cooling to a 
>> point where the world temperature dropped an average of 11 degrees. 
>> Now, the Sun's temperature has risen enough for us to notice it in 
>> the weather changes around the world. The oceans are the warmest in 
>> recorded history, as is the land. This causes the Earth to release 
>> CO2, and methane and other related greenhouse gasses several orders 
>> of magnitude higher than it ever has. Destruction of tropical rain 
>> forests by climate change, and Man has had an additional effect, but 
>> not to the extent that Mister Gore has claimed. Man's contr ibution 
>> to the greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere has been estimated to be 
>> less than 1% of the total amount the Earth has generated. Another 
>> thing; why has the UK and western Europe having freezing weather and 
>> record amounts of snow? Check out the Gulf Stream - has it changed any?
>>
>> The point I am trying to make is that this change in climate is 
>> NATURAL, not man made. We cannot stop or lessen the effect of the 
>> Sun's warming trend. Science and Science Fiction has given us the 
>> things we might be able to do in the future, when our level of 
>> technology has increased, but for now, all we can do is prepare to 
>> "weather the storm". Literally. If you own beach front property 
>> anywhere, perhaps in ten or twenty years you sell it, and let somebody
else take the loss.
>>
>> Many proposals have been put forward, such as erecting a shield 
>> between the Earth and Sun at a Lagrange point (not possible now that 
>> the Government has canceled NASA's new replacement for the Shuttle), 
>> throwing pure carbon into the Sun's photosphere to slow the Sun's 
>> fusion process (risky, how MUCH carbon, and how do we get it there?), 
>> causing a volcanic eruption to throw dust into the upper atmosphere 
>> to block the Sun's heat (more practical with today's technology, but 
>> in whose backyard do we do this?), or repairing the ozone layer and 
>> intensifying it (nobody knows how to fight the Earth's natural 
>> processes enough to make this very practical).
>>
>> So what do we do about the biggest object in our solar system? 
>> "Necessity is the mother of invention", and that old saw works. 
>> Scientists in our future may be able to solve the problem, given 
>> enough incentive, and of course, money. Hopefully we can harden our 
>> power grid enough to not lose it and plunge our civilization back 100 
>> years. CME's are very bad news, and we will see more of them - 
>> guaranteed. Let's pray that the Sun does not throw one directly at 
>> us. In any case, our world is going to see changes that no one in living
memory has ever seen.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Fred - W4FJF.
>> --
>>
>> A Human Being should be able to change a diaper, write a sonnet, plan 
>> an invasion, butcher a cow, conn a ship, design a building, balance 
>> accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, 
>> give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze problems, 
>> pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight 
>> efficiently, and die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
>> quoted from R.A.H. 1973.
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