[TenTec] Vertical Ant. Question / Suggestion

Ron Notarius WN3VAW wn3vaw@fyi.net
Mon, 2 Sep 2002 13:14:07 -0400

While Jim has a very valid point, one must remember that while most
verticals are 1/4 verticals (with or without traps, tuning stubs, or other
multi-band tuning methods), not all are.

Theoretically, a half-wave vertical (be it a center fed vertical dipole or
an end fed one) should not need (ie require) radials to work.  However, I
remember many, many moons ago bouncing this question off of Don W0DN, the
inventor of the Butternut HF#V verticals (and at the time owner of
Butternut) -- it was regarding Cushcraft's claims on the then-new R3
antenna -- and his response was to the effect that any end-fed vertical,
even ones at 1/2 or full wavelengths, would perform better with radials or
counterpoise at the base.  While I don't recall all of his reasoning (and I
think I still have the letter somewhere buried in the shack), I do recall
that shortly after, I did some experimenting with a borrowed R3 and found
this to be true.

73, ron wn3vaw

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----- Original Message -----
From: Jim FitzSimons <cherry@getnet.net>
To: TenTec Post to List <TenTec@contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Vertical Ant. Question / Suggestion

There are verticals that do not need radials. I use a GAP Titan. It works
80M to 10M with no radials. I use my wire on 160M and 80M. The GAP
Titan has a very narrow bandwidth on 80M.
The Force 12 Sigma-5 is a very efficient vertical that works from 20M to
10M without any radials.
Both the Force 12 verticals and the GAP are vertical dipoles.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bwana Bob" <wb2vuf@gti.net>
To: "Gordon Saunders" <kw4cz@triad.rr.com>
Cc: "TenTec Post to List" <TenTec@contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 18:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Vertical Ant. Question / Suggestion

> Gordon:
> There are a number of decent verticals on the market, but they are only
> as good as the radials or ground plane under them. However, you don't
> really need 120 radials as some of the purists may say. The law of
> diminishing returns kicks in at around 30 radials.
> I recently replaced my G5RV antenna with 2 antennas: One is an 80 meter
> 1/4 wave inverted "L" which is about 16 feet high and runs 50 feet from
> the house to a tree. The other is a vertical loop cut for 40 meters. The
> bottom of the loop runs along my fence at about 8 feet high. Length to a
> tree is again about 50 feet. It is fed with a short piece of 450 ohm
> line to a 4:1 balun. With a tuner it performs well on all bands 40
> meters and above.
> Once the copper wire tarnishes it turns brown and is virtually
> invisible. Not so with verticals unless you disguise or paint them.
> 73,
> Bob WB2VUF
> Gordon Saunders wrote:
> >
> > Greetings Ten-Tec'ers,
> >
> > My ol' G5RV finally came down in the last storm through here ... served
> > well it did.
> > Thinking of putting up a Vertical to try my luck there. Working on
> > Award .. Hi Hi
> >
> > Requirements:
> >
> > Stealth ... all the usual stuff my neighborhood seems to think is the
> >
> > Mostly 20 meter work ...  14.336  .. county hunters
> >
> > Low cost ... son in NC State University .. you know the story there.
> >
> > Suggestions ??
> > I'm running a Omni D  100 watts
> > Out of the box type that have worked well for you.
> > Home-brew is highly possible .. leads to that route?
> >
> > Thanks for your time and help
> >
> > Gordon Saunders  KW4CZ
> > Greensboro, NC
> >
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