[TenTec] Keyers?

[Gary Tuck]

Nope Steve.  I had been using the internal Orion keyer without 
difficulty.  I sent the Orion back to TT for service Friday.  I then 
fired up my old TS 850S and tried its internal keyer.   I had some 
difficulty adjusting it and sent an extraneous dit here and there 
besides.  So, I asked the List about which external keyers folks were 
using. I built my my old keyer in the mid 70's--a Heathkit  HD 1410 
which I used with my HW 101 and a string of good Kenwood rigs.  Later I 
re-wired it to use an external paddle.  I am ready to move on to a 
keyer with a few more features than the Heathkit  and thought I'd ask 
what folks were using.  Then I can use the same keyer with both the 
Orion and the TS850S.

73, Gary W7TEA



On Apr 3, 2005, at 6:58 PM, Steve Baron - KB3MM wrote:

> Maybe I am confused but do not understand why keyer brand model is so
> important.
>
> Never used the Orion keyer until about 5 minutes ago.  Unplugged my 
> Bencher
> paddles from the Logi keyer ,
> plugged it into the front panel, set the Mode to B and away it went.
>
> I cannot tell any difference bewteen the Logi keyer and the Orion 
> keyer.
>
> What am I missing >?
>
> Is it posible you are talking about an electronic keyer going into the
> Orion's keyer input and fighting with it ?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Brown" <ken.d.brown at verizon.net>
> To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec at contesting.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 19:38
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Keyers?
>
>
>> Steve wrote:
>>
>>> Gary:
>>> I am sure that any keyer would work with the Orion including your old
>>> Heathkit keyer. The rig has nothing to do with your "struggle".
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>> Gary wrote:
>>
>>>> For years I used an old Heathkit keyer but switched over to the 
>>>> keyer
>>>> in the Orion last fall. Now the 850 keyer is a struggle to get 
>>>> right.
>>>>
>> Hi Steve and all,
>>
>> I think what Gary is observing is that every keyer seems to be a bit
>> different, and once you get used to one, having used it for a long
>> while, it is difficult to switch to another keyer. I think Gary 
>> realizes
>> that just about any keyer can be hooked up to the Orion or the TS-850
>> and be made to work. The problem is not whether the keyer "works" but
>> rather whether the operator can "work the keyer" proficiently. Once 
>> you
>> get used to one keyer it can be hard to switch to another.
>>
>> I have noticed difficulty switching between the Omni VI internal keyer
>> and the Logikey K-3. I have them both set to mode B, but they do not
>> work exactly identically. There seems to be some differences in the
>> timing of the "window of opportunity" for adding trailing dits or
>> inserting dits. The difference in operation is very difficult to
>> analyze, because as soon as you start focusing on it, the problem 
>> seems
>> to either go away or change. This is probably due to minor changes in
>> timing of the operator's actuation of the paddles.
>>
>> Does anyone know if there is an "official" definition of exactly what
>> mode A and mode B iambic keying are? Are there any specific parameters
>> stated by any keyer manufacturer as to the timing of the paddle inputs
>> versus the keyer outputs? I have never seen any such specifications, 
>> and
>> I suspect that minor differences between brands is what gives some
>> people trouble switching from one keyer to another. I find it
>> interesting that it seems the transition from one model to another can
>> seem smooth and not even noticable to the operator, and then after
>> becoming accustomed to the second keyer, switching back to the first 
>> one
>> can be very difficult. What is it that makes it easy to adjust in one
>> direction and difficult in the other?
>>
>> To answer your question Gary: I like the Idiom Press Logikeyer K-3 
>> best.
>>
>> 73 DE N6KB
>>
>>
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