[TenTec] Being a Contrarian...."

Wed Aug 2 10:53:36 EDT 2006

Wil, don't let those on the TenTec list deter you from getting a 
license.  They are not representative of amateurs in general.  You will 
have to look long and hard to find a more hateful nasty group.  If I can 
ever help you in any way please contact me.

Art, WA6IPD

Larry Menzel wrote:
> Oh, Man!
>
> Well said, Bob. Good catch.
>
> And Will:   Don't let the door hit you in the backside as you leave. Adios.
>
> Amazing.
>
> Larry, N0XB
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William Addams" <wiladdamsham at yahoo.com>
> To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec at contesting.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 8:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Being a Contrarian...."
>
>
> Bob,
> You may not have seen it, but I'm not a ham yet, so I don't have a call 
> sign.
> I wanted to be a ham to "reach out" and meet new people. But if this 
> reflector is an indicator of what I will reach out and find, then I'm not so 
> sure that this hobby is for me.
> As I said in my last post, which was suppose to be my last post, this will 
> now be my last post. The bantering on here is dissolving my desire for this 
> as a hobby now. And I feel I'm wasting my time discussing dead end issues. 
> Life is too short.
> Thanks,
> Wil
>
> Bob Henderson <bob at 5b4agn.net> wrote: William
>
> I'm sure many reflectees will be as appreciative of your input as I am.  We
> are indeed blessed in having one so knowledgable and well versed in the
> truths of the situation, ready and willing to point us to the straight and
> narrow.
>
> You have already identified the source of your great knowledge, as your
> relationship with a man who ostensibly owns an Orion.  Please further our
> education by advising whether you actually hold an amateur transmitting
> license.  If so, what is your call and the date of its issue.  Such
> information will be useful in establishing your credentials.
>
> Others on this reflector will consider themselves to be entitled to offer
> critical input based upon a whole range of qualifications.
>
> I consider myself qualified for a number of reasons, including but not
> limited to:
>
>   
>> 30 year career in electronic engineering.
>>     
> Owner of 5 Ten Tec radios including two Orions
>   
>> $12,000 invested in Ten Tec product
>>     
> 40 years as a radio amateur
> 18 months as member of TT Orion beta group
>
> I guess you could call me a stakeholder.  I guess many of us would feel
> comfortable, referred to in that way.  How about you?
>
> Bob, 5B4AGN
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William Addams"
> To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment"
> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 12:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Being a Contrarian...."
>
>
>   
>> Urban myths.
>> Facts are:
>> Doug Smith and Gary Barbour wrote the classic Orion.
>> Doug Smith left TenTec under non-amicable terms.
>> The Classic Orion had lots of lock up issues, a lot due to the DSP code
>> couldn't communicate well with the other microprocessors, and would lock
>> up the busses.
>> Gary Barbour re-wrote ALL of the Orion II, mainly to free up processing
>> time so that the communications channels would not lock up anymore. Also
>> due to the fact that the chip was going obsolete, and then decided to add
>> a color screen and better filtering.
>>
>> Those are facts.
>> They don't have a team of 100s doing engineering work, like Icom and Yaesu
>> and Kenwood do.
>> They only have a couple of people in engineering that do design work, and
>> only a couple of people that do testing internally. They do a lot of their
>> user testing by having their service group and others take sets home and
>> test on the air.
>> This is a "Ham" engineering team, who try to make the best products
>> available at a cost that most can afford. They are not a team of hundreds
>> of engineers, otherwise you would see more and more products coming out.
>> This team of engineers also has to deal with obsolete parts issues,
>> problems in the factory, answering hundreds of service questions posted by
>> people who are using the radio "in a different way" than anyone else on
>> the planet.
>> Being new to this, I would love to see a radio that has ALL bands
>> available for ALL modes, including 6m and 2m. Maybe that isn't possible,
>> but it would be nice to have something all rolled up into one.
>> However, given that they are constantly getting barraged by arguments on
>> how NR should work, we may not see something "new" from them for quite
>> some time.
>> Maybe the people on this board are part of the problem.
>> A lot of people start yelling before they have found out that the problem
>> is really in their shack.Next time, ask if someone else has seen this, you
>> will be surprised, most problems are answered right on here, but people
>> ignore the answer, only to find out that later, the original answer by one
>> of your fellow hams was actually correct, and it was your mic, not your
>> Orion SW.
>> A lot of people praise the new NR scheme, and a lot of people condemn it.
>> Some call for them to make a menu item so that you can pick which way it
>> works. Imagine, taking the time to do this, takes away time from fixing
>> other bugs, and from introducing new things.
>> So they have to weigh the benefits of the changes, and then weigh the
>> consequences of not having a new product that would compete with their
>> competitors on 6m, or on the internet, or ........
>> I do not envy them.
>> I just wish everyone would be more supportive, and not so immediately
>> condemnative.
>> TT is a great company, best service my bud has ever seen, and I'm afraid
>> that some day they may decide that it is too much hassle to stay in the
>> amateur market, and go with nothing but commercial products. Afterall,
>> commercial probably pays the bills, and they have exacting specs on how
>> things should work. Whereas selling to the amateur market is like selling
>> to a thousand different customers with a hundred thousand different
>> requirements, often varying from day to day from the same person. So many
>> times I've seen where one person says something, then contradicts
>> themselves the next week just to keep an argument alive.
>> Remember what you got into amateur radio for in the first place.
>> Helping others learn more about it
>> adventure
>> working together.
>> That is why I started into the hobby, but I could see some who would read
>> this list, and drop out because ... too much bs... it should be easier...
>> the sure don't live up to their credo...
>> This will be my last post, as I too am getting disheartened for now.
>>
>>
>> Grant Youngman  wrote: > Doug Smith's leaving TT was NOT
>> an 'urban myth'!
>>
>>
>> But the notion that the Orion somehow died with him is.  Positively.
>> Absurd.  Of course he left.  Last I heard he isn't the last living guy
>> that
>> knows stuff.  That he had the mojo and the rest is history -- that's the
>> mythololgy, which has now become dogma.  If Gary B did do the Orion II
>> single handedly (maybe that's just another piece of mythology), how many
>> of
>> the whiners (and I've been one, too, at times) could even come close?
>>
>> Come to think of it, this whole series of threads is absurd.
>>
>> I don't understand why all the guys who think that they could do a better
>> job, don't get together, throw in their savings accounts, and just build a
>> radio.  Then we'll see.  Nothing is perfect for everyone.  Not the Orion,
>> or
>> the II, or the 7800 or the 9000 or ....  Nothing is perfect.
>>
>> The whole business is just filling up disk space in my DELETED folder,
>> including this useless contribution.
>>
>> Grant/NQ5T
>>
>>
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