[TenTec] TenTec Digest, Vol 83, Issue 9

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

With all due respect, when I want to discuss legal ramifications of
something related to Amateur Radio, I get a hold of K3AIR.  (And pay him for
his time, after all, Mike IS my lawyer...)

I don't know exactly where to draw the line, but when one starts injecting
the legal impact of the Uniform Commercial Code and its related
ramifications and permutations, we're waaaaay over it.

Those of you who are unhappy, maybe it's time you talked with Ten Tec
directly?  (And please don't state that they should be monitoring this
reflector... that being a different issue, but the fact is that they don't
on a regular basis)

73

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From: tentec-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:tentec-bounces at contesting.com]
On Behalf Of Richards
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 9:16 AM
To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
Subject: Re: [TenTec] TenTec Digest, Vol 83, Issue 9

Bragging about your experience and credentials does give you greater
credibility.  

Besides, you express a particularly egocentric point of view.  The world of
ham radio is big enough to include guys who are not electronics engineers
who can fix or build their gear from scratch.   For me, this is a diversion
from my career, a hobby and something new to learn -- an "avocation" not
"vocation."   Moreover, your anger is showing.   It is inappropriate and
unreasonable to demand we all have the same abilities and expertise.   Some
of us are new at this - I suppose you were new and unschooled at one time,
although you give the impression otherwise.  

You miss the point of the thread - These guys are not merely whining over a
lack of new features...  TT represented there would be ongoing development,
including new features and updated firmware to fix bugs and refine the
product over time.   Moreover, TT made those representations intentionally
to induce them to buy the rig, and they relied upon those representations
when deciding to buy the rig, in the first place.   They are not really
asking for more than what TT told them to expect.  They are merely
disappointed TT had not delivered everything they said would be forthcoming.


I presume the converse is also true.  Had TT not made such representations,
these buyers would not expect TT to continually upgrade the rig or provide
new features without cost, and would have expectations similar to what
buyers of other products might have.  I, for one, purchased an Omni VII on
the strength of similar representations - but must await development of a
real time band scope TT said was under development and would be forthcoming.
Under the Uniform Commercial Code, for example, where a vendor fails to
specify a time, a "reasonable" time is implied by law.  I won't participate
in an debate over what is "reasonable" under the circumstances, but one
might argue two or three years from date of purchase is a reasonable time to
expect to realize the same.   

So, I do not think these guys are guilty of unreasonable impatience, or
unduly demanding new features for free - they are only looking to realize
what TT lead them to expect at the time they purchased the rig. 

But, that is just MY take....   

==========  K8JHR  ====================




> ------------Original Message------------
> From: <tlp1 at vzavenue.net>
> To: tentec at contesting.com
> Date: Wed, Nov-11-2009 2:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] TenTec Digest, Vol 83, Issue 9
>
> Please turn off the stupid...PLEASE!!!!!
> 
> A few things....
> 
> I'm damned fortunate to have gotten my electronics 
> experience, and more, from 30 plus years in aviation 
> electronics. Voice and data radio are a very small part of 
> aviation electronics in whole. To this day, I've never had 
> to depend on forums like this one, and some of the idiot 
> parades out there that pass themselves off as some kind of 
> half-witted tech forum/think tank. I've always been able to 
> set up my own station, and maintain it with zero assistance. 
> It's what makes the ham radio hobby fun, is to have the 
> technical challenges in front of you, and figure them out 
> yourself. Before getting involved in this hobby, I'd always 
> believed that design, and self sufficiency was one of the 
> cornerstones of ham radio. Who knows, maybe it was at the 
> beginning of the 20th century. It sure isn't that way now. 
> That is if you pay attention to the whiners here and other 
> places on the internet.
> 
> I have the Orion II, and I'm very pleased with it. For you 
> hams that couldn't build your own gear if you're life 
> depended on it (and build something comparable in 
> performance and out of pocket expense as the Orion II), much 
> less, and I STRONGLY EMPHASIZE MUCH LESS, work on and modify 
> your own gear when it breaks, and to enhance its performance 
> from the component level, you don't understand how lucky you 
> are that commercial ham gear is available from a lot of 
> people. 
> 
> Be happy with what you have. If you don't like it, buy 
> something that will do the job for you, OR BUILD YOUR OWN!!
> 
> When you can build something that performs like the the 
> Orion II, from scratch and talk to us on the air with it, 
> let me know, and let me know how much it cost you.
> 
> KU5Q
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