[TenTec] Interfacing Computers to Rigs

[Casey]

My point is this: Jim wants people to stop using isolation circuits and 
his "carrot" to them is simply to tell them to do it the "right way" and 
the right way is to go study 66+ pages of technical material and to sort 
it all out for yourself.

I really can't understand Jim's expectations when the alternative for 
hams without an EE is to simply spend some money for the gizmo that 
provides some kind of solution. It's not very helpful or understanding 
of those hams who are not EEs to just throw a link at them. Being right 
doesn't necessarily mean anyone is going to listen to you.

And, please, don't tell me that passing any multiple choice exam where 
the entire question/answer pool is public is equivalent in any way to 
real electronics knowledge.

73,

Casey, TI2/NA7U

On 10/30/2011 5:50 AM, Phil Sussman wrote:
> My background is pretty deep on the electronics engineering side. In
> reading over Jim's material, it was not hard for me to digest. However,
> in my field, communications, I often encounter people who receive a
> course on operating two way radios and upon conclusion are so befuddled
> they can not operate the power switch, do not understand the scan
> function, not can they change from one talk group zone to another.
>
> As someone who has written "greatly simplified instructions" to a
> class of highly trained individuals, I have discovered that about half
> of those who read my (2/3 of a page of #12 type) work are 'lost.' It's
> frustrating because it's written to a fifth grade level.
>
> Some thoughts:
>
> 1. The simpler the better. If it's too long, it's too distracting.
> 2. Technical people are the most easily confused. (They think they know??)
> 3. Some people want the bottom line without any explanation and that's all.
> 4. Once it's working (even partially) some won't touch it for fear it will
>      become inoperative by a simple button press for which they'll be blamed.
>
> Oh well, it's a job! Thanks for reading!!
>
> 73 de Phil - N8PS
>
> ----
>
> Quoting Richards<jruing at ameritech.net>:
>
>> Well... kinda...
>>
>> There IS a bit of relativity to all of this.  What may seem elementary
>> to an electrical engineer, may still, in turn, seem like a totally
>> foreign language to another with a vastly different career.
>>
>> I have a doctorate degree in something, and as an undergrad majored in
>> Philosophy,   (after all, if one can read Kant's "Critique of Pure
>> Reason" - then he can read just about anything else...) - nevertheless I
>> find your work difficult and challenging.
>>
>> A suggestion :
>>
>> 	I read the conclusions first, and then the beefy
>> 	sections explaining it all.   A murder mystery is
>> 	a lot easier to follow if you already know
>> 	who "done it."       ;-)
>>
>> I also find reading it all the way through quickly on one day, and then
>> re-read it slowly, and painstakingly careful the next day, yields the
>> greatest comprehension - as you say, one must study it.
>>
>> But we are bit really complaining.   I would rather have a difficult,
>> but detailed and comprehensive explanation, than one that is so
>> condensed or simplified as to be misleading or confusing for lack of
>> substance.   Yet, while your work is sufficiently detailed, and
>> technically proficient, it is not exactly light reading !     ;-)
>>
>> Funny thing, Jim, but this piece was mentioned tonight in the TS-590s
>> discussion group... so you are getting around a bit.
>>
>> Happy days.
>>
>> ======================  Richards -- K8JHR  ========================
>>
>>
>> On 10/30/2011 1:21 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
>>
>>> Not really. In fact, it is written for hams WITHOUT a college technical
>>> education, but who have done at least some studying of electronics and
>>> how radio works.
>> My stuff is written for those who want to learn.
>>
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