[TenTec] OT: Question about TS-590 possible problem

[Don Jones]

I did not see the other posts regarding the bandpass filters. 
Have you considered taking this to the KenwoodTS-590 on yahoo? Or are you
just wanting to bad mounth a kenwood on a ten-tec forum?
73, Don KO7i

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP [mailto:Rick at DJ0IP.de] 
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 1:10 AM
To: 'Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment'
Subject: Re: [TenTec] OT: Question about TS-590 possible problem

Guys, I am thankful for every attempt to help, but..

THIS IS THE 4TH TIME I HAVE WRITTEN THAT ***THEY ARE ALREADY USING BANDPASS
FILTERS (BPF)***.  
They are either ICE or Dunestar, I didn't ask them which.  
They have not tried stubs yet.

Besides, even without bandpass filters, good radios do not transmit
broadband noise that wipes out all other bands.
I was team contesting long before I purchased two complete sets of dunestar
BPFs (15 years ago).
We could run 2 or 3 radios (especially Ten-Tecs) out of the same room with
antennas in close proximity of each other and the only interference was
harmonic related.

We have a lot of experience in team contesting and understand the
technologies required there.
This is from our own experience, not from reading books.

We are simply asking for experience with the TS-590.
I'm thinking the TS-590 is a random noise generator!  
After receiving information I have received (off-reflector) I honestly
believe that.

In the meantime the boys have organized a K2 and TS-850 and will repeat the
test.
Soon we will see if it's the radios.

I'll report what we find out.

Thanks anyway for all contributions on the topic of 590 and noise
generation.

73
Rick, DJ0IP


-----Original Message-----
From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Don Jones
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 4:56 AM
To: 'Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment'
Subject: Re: [TenTec] OT: Question about TS-590 possible problem


I am thinking that if these guys who are having trouble were to add a set of
BP filters it would go a long ways towards keeping the front ends of the
radios from going into gain compression. 
Plus if the transmitters are dirty the filters will attenuate noise on the
other bands.

I was reading the contesting section of the ON4UN low band DX'ing book and
see that a pair of 1/4 wave stubs separated by a 1/4 wave of coax makes for
a highly effective bandpas filter. If they have 3 spare 1/4 sections of
RG213 for 20M they could fabricate a very effective bandpass filter. 

Bandpass filters are standard fair for SO2R stations - same goes for
Multi-two contest stations. Not sure if these guys have considered
fabricating a tri-plexer based upon the QST article. I have built two of
them and they work great. Sounds like they need a little mentoring regarding
contest band plans and asset allocation for successful contesting. One note
on band plans, 10M and 20M do not play well together. The second harmonic of
20M will come thru loud and clear on 10M. But then if 10M is open, 15M will
be too. So drop 20 and go to 10. Basically the 15M station stays put and the
20M station picks up 10M if it opens.

So where are they going?

73, Don KO7i



On 10/5/2012 12:43 PM, Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP wrote:
> A couple of my friends are preparing for an expedition for CQWW and 
> are
testing their config.
> They have 2x TS-590 transceivers and a pair of yagi antennas in close
proximity of each other (about 75' apart).
>
> The problem, they are seeing a broadband noise as soon as they key one 
> of
the transceivers.
> Even with just 5w of power it is wiping out the other rig on all bands.
>
> My old grey cells seem to remember we discussed this here on the 
> Ten-Tec
reflector about 6 months ago or so.
> Does anyone remember the details of this or do I have my wires totally
crossed?
> Was there a fix or have I dreamt this up?
>
> TNX guys, and sorry to spam the group, but if we can get these guys 
> fixed,
we'll have a nice multiplier in CQWW.
>
> 73
> Rick, DJ0IP
>
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