[TenTec] RX366

[Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP]

James,

This thread is about a high performance upgrade to a high performance
transceiver that most people will never own.
So it is not at all about "most people".

I pointed out 3 instances where a downward conversion RX is beneficial over
an upwards conversion RX, and one instance had nothing at all to do with
contesting.  Anybody can have other hams in the neighborhood, and that is
the case, will probably need a better rig than most people.

You have a misunderstanding of team contesting.
ALL of the big stations have S&P stations too, and it is their job to work
the weak DX stations, in the presence of their buddy beside them working the
RUN station on the same band.  They need the high performance RX more than
anybody!

Rick, N4QI is about the only big station I know that runs all ORION
transceivers.
I think he ordered about 8 of these RX366.

People who need them, know why.
Most people asking why will probably never be in a position to need them.

Also, you have quoted Rob out of contest.
If you like, you can download the audio files for most of Rob's
presentations from my web site and listen again.

73
Rick, DJ0IP

-----Original Message-----
From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Richards
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 2:37 PM
To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
Subject: Re: [TenTec] RX366



On 5/20/2013 4:19 AM, Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP wrote:
> James, nobody said that you can hear him.  You just assumed that.


	No Rick ... you are ignoring what you said.

	YOU said the differences between the two receivers
	would mean the difference between the 5th guy to
	work the DX, or the 155th guy to work him.

	So, if I can work him on both radios, then I can
	hear him on both radios - and if I can hear him, the
	difference in place will be the transmitter, not the
	receiver.

	Now you change the story to say you can hear him
	on one rig and not on another ... then on the other
	rig I cannot work him at all - It won't be the difference
	between 5th and 155th because NOW you say I can hear him
	at all.

	Sheesh... You are working too hard to disagree with me.

	It is a matter of logic - if the differences between
	radios is working him first or last in the pileup, the
	I must be able to hear him on both radios - or I won't
	work him at all on the lesser rig.  You shifted position.



	
> PEOPLE who never operate under these conditions will be pleased with 
> the performance of most radios.

> The reason we have different opinions on this point is because we 
> don't all operate under the same condx.


	I thought that was what John said to start the
	thread.... that most guys won't run into this
	or if they do, it won't happen very often.

	And then you started contradicting that.


Again, you are working too hard to disagree.  No one has ever explained how
many contests were lost, and how many contacts were not made, 
because his third order intercept figure was too low.   It seems to me 
the big contest winners are big contest stations, with superior antennas and
huge power amps on line - they are the loud stations that everybody works -
they have pileups all day long and they never have to worry about squeezing
DX out of the ether or prying them out from under a big loud flame thrower
station - BECAUSE THEY ARE THE FLAME THROWER - and they don't need no
stinking weak signal DX to make a win.  A few times I was that station  (we
twice set the record in the MI QSO Party and placed 1st in our Section in
the CQ DX 160m contest and 5th in NA)  and we surely did not worry about any
of the scenarios you describe.  The rest of the rabble might, but then they
are contesters with no chance of winning from the start.

I think you are working too hard to disagree with John's basic premise...
that these situations are, for MOST GUYS, fairly rare and there is no need
for them to worry about it - and that even Rob Sherwood says MOST modern
radios are "good enough"  pretty much most of the time.

Nothing you say defeats this premise.

WHICH IS WHY I KEEP MY OMNI VII AS IT HAS A SUPER RECEIVER, EVEN THOUGH IT
IS NOT IN THE TOP 5 ON THE RECEIVER LIST. - AND this explains why no 
one complains about having to use it during a contest.   All these 
scenarios are possible, just not likely for most guys.  That makes it
essentially irrelevant except for some rare situations- exactly the point we
started with.  You can multiply examples all day long, but it does not alter
the fact most guys, most days, most places just don't need to worry about it
to that extent.

And with this I am done, having exhausted my share of bandwidth.

----------------------  K8JHR --------------------------




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