[TenTec] Panadapters

Wed May 7 16:03:13 EDT 2014

That would be called "bandspread" as I remember from my old S-38B.

73
Bob, K4TAX

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cecil" <chacuff at cableone.net>
To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec at contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Panadapters

> Yep...it would be terrible to have to use a logging scale to be able to 
> find ones net....
>
> Ha...
>
> Cecil
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On May 7, 2014, at 2:33 PM, Dalton <w4wuq at att.net> wrote:
>>
>> How did we ever get by with those analog dials in the 1960's and 1970's?
>>
>> Dalton - W4WUQ
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On May 7, 2014, at 2:29 PM, "Bob McGraw - K4TAX" <RMcGraw at Blomand.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> That's exactly why I purchased an amp that uses a single 3-500ZG.
>>>
>>> Within the past 60 days I've had 10 radios across the bench and from 
>>> different brands/models.  Although the frequency display seemed very 
>>> precise, none were correct and some were off as much as 200 Hz.  The 
>>> most accurate was +2Hz on 75M but progressively got worse as the 
>>> frequency increased to 6M.
>>>
>>> I have one coming in next week that is reported to be 70 Hz high on 75M. 
>>> Oh my, what a crisis.
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Bob, K4TAX
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP" 
>>> <Rick at DJ0IP.de>
>>> To: "'Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment'" <tentec at contesting.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 12:05 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Panadapters
>>>
>>>
>>>> Wade, the problem with your strategy is, you can't get "good" new tubes
>>>> anymore.
>>>> The last good source for 572B's ceased producing them a while back and
>>>> RF-Parts temporarily removed the tube from its sales.
>>>>
>>>> Apparently they have found a new source now, but each time they have 
>>>> had to
>>>> do that, the tubes were worse than those from their previous supplier.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, did you ever solve that 30 Hz problem?  ;-)
>>>>
>>>> 73 - Rick, DJ0IP
>>>> (Nr. Frankfurt am Main)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Wade 
>>>> Staggs
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 6:10 PM
>>>> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
>>>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Panadapters
>>>>
>>>> *Please, build that Tube Type Rig!..... I can see the Appliance 
>>>> Operators
>>>> pulling their hair out as I write this message. I had a young fellow on 
>>>> a
>>>> State Wide Net, recently tell me that my station was 20 Hz low in 
>>>> frequency.
>>>> And my understanding was that Net Control is the frequency standard to 
>>>> tune
>>>> to! Reading my Net Preamble again, pointing out the part that says on 
>>>> or
>>>> about 3xxx KHz. We also expressed thanks to him for telling me that, my 
>>>> 33
>>>> year old Paragon is only 20 Hz out of alignment. Checking further that 
>>>> day,
>>>> with good test equipment, maybe his KenYaeCom needs some attention. And 
>>>> we
>>>> know several folks who could never Tune Up any Tube Type rig. I can see 
>>>> the
>>>> Magical Mushroom Clouds of Smoke .... Screaming towards the Ceiling in 
>>>> their
>>>> Shacks ..... * *Please, build us some nice radios. I have just enough 
>>>> time
>>>> left to own another great station before assuming room temperature. We 
>>>> can
>>>> only wonder what the guy mentioned above, would have said about my ( 
>>>> built
>>>> by me
>>>> ) Heathkit SB-101. Maybe, we will call the Net next time with the 
>>>> SB-101 and
>>>> it turned on cold. Just my Rant for the day. My vote would be for a 
>>>> Modular
>>>> Approach. What radio will even nail down another SSB rig as 20 Hertz 
>>>> off
>>>> frequency? Hey, here is an idea, what about a new Hybrid Rig?
>>>> Beats the pants off these badly needed 50 volt Finals in the new rigs. 
>>>> My
>>>> vote is for a conservatively rated 200 Watt radio with One 572B Tube as 
>>>> the
>>>> PA. The old Hybrids sure do a Great Job....... hi hi ...........*
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>> 73 from Wade/KJ4WS*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 7:58 AM, John Henry <jhenry at tentec.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> There are as many wishes for what a panadapter should be and how it
>>>>> should be used as there are hams in the market. They fall into a few
>>>>> main classes though (and no, I'm not ranking classes, just
>>>>> identifying, geesh, don't shoot me. and yes, I'm glad my name is John
>>>>> Henry, he he he DJ0IP, lol) Don't cut down the need for something that
>>>>> is a tantamount feature for someone else. Just different is all. If
>>>>> there was a one size fits all, then would it be a Wyndam antenna or a
>>>>> Yagi or something from those Spidery people? Or is it a Begali or one
>>>>> of those from Mr. Robbins? Come on, pick one, you can't have anything
>>>> else. See, one shoe does not fit all.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are those that will never use it, because they just want to
>>>>> "surf the web", er, uh, "surf the air" to find someone popping out,
>>>>> the way it has been done for many many decades. Nothing wrong with
>>>>> this, so, let them have their rig, at the cost appropriate for that 
>>>>> rig.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are those that just want something running real time on the rig,
>>>>> no real features, maybe a gain adjustment, but they want it on the rig
>>>>> so that when they take it with them, it is still there, e.g. Field
>>>>> Day. So, maybe it is an option to the rig of the "surf the air" user.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are those that want a bit more functionality on the rig with the
>>>>> sweep, e.g. scrolling to the freq they want to see without moving the
>>>>> VFO, then hitting an Enter button, boom, they are there.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are those that want it as a display option of the rig, like a
>>>>> panadapter such as the P3. It works great with the K3, KX3, and the
>>>>> frequency readouts track. Works well with others, only drawback is you
>>>>> lose the scrolling on the panadapter / click button to control the
>>>>> rig. But, that too is sufficient for hams, they see the band, and can
>>>>> move there quickly with the rig controls, be it on a PC or on the
>>>>> front panel. Again, another option.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are those that will never give up the SDR to the sound card
>>>>> running their favorite HPSDR/PowerSDR-IF/etc. In my mind, that is the
>>>>> ultimate integration giving one the flexibility because they can pick
>>>>> the $39 SDR or the $5k SDR to give them the performance they want that
>>>> makes them happy.
>>>>> Just provide the I/Q or IF output, and let this guy enjoy his world.
>>>>> To me, IF output should be standard anyway on any rig produced...
>>>>> well, maybe not down into the 506 cost range, but heck, 9MHz IF is on
>>>>> the 506 anyway, just solder a wire, put in a buffer amp, and boom, you
>>>>> have a band sweep from your $200 QRP rig, fun fun fun to some.
>>>>>
>>>>> YOUR usage pattern is different from others and you may want something
>>>>> different than their neighbor or cousin or even XYL.
>>>>> So, concentrate on what you like about which one you like the best,
>>>>> bring up the reason why you like it best, and be happy that your XYL
>>>>> can disconnect your SDR and use it on the front panel as she / he
>>>>> wants it when they are on the rig.
>>>>>
>>>>> TEN-TEC has to find a happy medium, or provide options for all of the
>>>>> above.
>>>>> If TEN-TEC is to satisfy the guy who wants it built into the Orion
>>>>> III, then TEN-TEC has to finish the 588 sweep board to prove the
>>>>> concept and then migrate it into the "next big TEN-TEC rig".
>>>>>
>>>>> For now, get the rig you want that we have, enjoy it, and rest assured
>>>>> that over time, maybe next year or the next, who knows what you will
>>>>> see on the market from TEN-TEC or our competitors. We all make great
>>>>> stuff that fills the shack of amateur operators. For me, the main
>>>>> reason for this is still to just have fun, AND to be ready to assist
>>>> others in emergency situations.
>>>>> I still think there is a market for a totally analog rig, no uP, no
>>>>> features other than mode/band/frequency/rfgain/afgain, the backup for
>>>>> the EMP, that also means no transistors... hmmm cost, well, probably
>>>>> prohibitive, but, I still wish there was a way for that rig to be made
>>>>> as it would fill just about every prepper/emergency management hams
>>>>> shack and sit in the background covered in dust until everything else
>>>>> is non-functional.
>>>>>
>>>>> TEN-TEC IS working on things that will tread new ground, and lead the
>>>>> way in innovation in this market, and those will come out over time
>>>>> over this year, next year and beyond. We are also working on things
>>>>> customers have asked for, but maybe not in the way they originally
>>>>> thought, but, well, better. Plant a seed, and in time it will grow.
>>>>> Working on things customers haven't asked for but once we get it out,
>>>>> they will wonder, what they ever did without it.... etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> 'nuff said, lots of code to write, projects to continue, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, and 73,
>>>>> John Henry, KI4JPL
>>>>> TEN-TEC Engineering
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