[TenTec] OMNI VI illness

Sun Oct 26 09:34:20 EDT 2014

Yes the vacuum desoldering system is great. 

The board does not plug in.  Only cables.  The board is held in place by 4 screws. 

The relay coils are parallel on the board. Applying 12V to one does apply 12v to both. Other than physically removing one relay I see no way to check just one and not energize the other one.  Of course one could cut the PC trace between the 2 but then you'll have board repair to do.  NOT A GOOD IDEA. 

Just get 2 relays, remove and replace 2.  That's the smartest thing to do. 

Bob, K4TAX

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> On Oct 26, 2014, at 8:01 AM, Dave Edwards <kd2e at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Bob....I have a electric vacuum-type solder remover station...that should help.
> So the boards have all plug in wires...I am guessing the board plugs in as well?
> I also have the owner's manual, and looked at the schematic. It would seem that with the board in hand, if I put 12 volts (or whatever the coil is) on that parallel coil line for K4 and K5, I can then measure which relay is not closing....before I start wielding the solder iron.
> This is a mint Omni VI+, that has never had the lid popped open, but I guess no rig is immune to the strike of Murphy!!
> ....Dave
> PS...Thanks so much for your help, and the rest of the group!
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10/25/14, 9:42 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
>> The board will need to be removed from the radio.  It is a tight fit between a shield and the back panel.  Both top and bottom covers will need to be removed as well as the bracket that supports the speaker.  Everything plugs in and cables are or were or should be numbered.  Take care in removing the relays.  Too much heat and one will lift the solder pads, creating another issue to be resolved.
>> 
>> Yes, either K4 or K5 can be bad, i.e. open coil is typical.  There could be other issues not causing the relays to switch for those 2 bands but it is more common for the coil on a relay to open.   One relay being K5 switches the input to the filter section from the PA and the other one K4 switches the output of the filter section to the TR relay.  Both 15M and 17M use the same filter section.
>> 
>> Yes, you can remove one relay and measure that one.  Then you can measure the one remaining on the board.  As my luck goes, the one I remove is always the good one.
>> 
>> If you don't have a schematic, I suggest you obtain one.  The 564 manual is available for download on the Tentec Website under DOWNLOADS and then Obsolete-Manual-Downloads.  Scroll down to the 564 and click on the link to the right that says 564 Manual.
>> 
>> See page 4-3 for the schematic of the Low Pass Filter board.
>> 
>> 73
>> Bob, K4TAX
>> 
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>> All opinions expressed herein are solely those of K4TAX and do not reflect opinions, ideas, policy or practice of other persons or companies including Ten-Tec / R F Concepts.
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>> This is to inform all persons I am a Ten-Tec Ambassador and I receive compensation according to the Ten-Tec Ambassador program. In addition, I serve as a volunteer beta test person to Ten-Tec for the Omni VII, Eagle and Argonaut VI radios.  I am not an employee of Ten-Tec and hold no employment relationship, no financial or other interests, nor do I conduct any commercial business, direct or indirect, with Ten-Tec.
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>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Edwards" <kd2e at comcast.net>
>> To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec at contesting.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 8:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] OMNI VI illness
>> 
>> 
>>> Bob...is the low pass filter board such that the relays can be removed with the board in the radio...or does the low pass filter board have to come out?  Am I correct in that EITHER K4 or K5 could be bad causing both bands to go out?   So, if I replaced them both...I'd solve the problem...or take one out, then I can measure them individually...one out, and one in the radio...hoping that I removed the bad one. Is that about right??
>>> ....Dave
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 10/25/14, 9:01 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
>>>> Most likely a relay coil open being either K4 and/or K5 on the Low Pass Filter board.  Both bands, 17M & 15M,  use the same filter section which is switched by those two relays.  This is the vertical board at the back of the radio.
>>>> 
>>>> If you pull them to check them, replace them.  Since the coils are wired parallel, it is a bit of a challenge to figure just which one is bad with in circuit measurements.  My luck,  I usually remove the good one first. Go figure!    Tentec Service has replacements.  There's 12 of them on the board. Unless you have time and money to replace all 12, I'd order 4 pcs and replace 2 keeping 2 as spare.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 73
>>>> Bob, K4TAX
>>>> 
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>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Edwards" <kd2e at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec at contesting.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 6:41 PM
>>>> Subject: [TenTec] OMNI VI illness
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Can anyone suggest if there is anything to check on this problem?
>>>>> OMNI VI+, otherwise working fine, but....
>>>>> No output on 15 or 17 meters.
>>>>> I can hear the signal on another receiver, but no output at all.
>>>>> Receive OK, and all other bands transmit fine.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is there something switched in for just 15 and 17?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for any thoughts!
>>>>> 
>>>>> ....Dave
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