[TOEC] [CCF] Q on SAC rules "ENN ###"

[Mikael Larsmark]

Yes, but that still does not remove errors which you impossibly can not 
help. If the other guy is bad at typing and enters 0 insted of O etc, 
which happens, I don't see how you could manage to find that out as the 
TX part. Or if he messes up entering SM6LRL instead of SM6LRR because he 
typed wrong, how can you as a TX part make him notice his typing error?

Also, lets say there is a lot of QRM on the band, the guy logs your 
serial number incorrectly, how can you find out that he did that? Should 
everybody repeat what serial number they think they heard?

People who can't handle QRQ maybe shouldn't call those stations. That 
will also solve the problem, since you will lose by going too fast. JAs 
are good at this, in JA contests you usually need to go down to 24 wpm 
or so to get answers.

Lots of errors are not caused by QRQ but because of QRM, people calling 
before the TX PTT has dropped etc. Would be fun to see how many S5 
stations has become I5 because of just that.

Mike, SM2WMV (SJ2W)
http://www.sj2w.se/contest/

On 09/13/2011 08:43 PM, Mats Strandberg wrote:
> I don't agree on that one Mike...
>
> The rules will affect all the good ops in the same way - because the less
> experienced guy typing wrong or getting the message wrong, is likely to
> repeat his mistake many times with many operators... But if you as an
> excellent operator, manage to reduce the mistakes of the lids by adjusting
> your speed to his ability, then it proves that you are a better operator
> than someone who fails to do so...
>
> In CQWW (and SAC) the only ones who are favoured are the QRQ-machines.... I
> have no problems to compete in that category either... but it does not
> stimulate the skills of the operator to BOTH receive correctly, and make
> sure that the opponent does the same...
>
>
>
> 2011/9/13 Mikael Larsmark<mike at sm3wmv.com>
>
>> Hello
>>
>> Because it is very irritating when losing points because of the other
>> station being a lid or just just making an typing error. That is not
>> your fault, you could not have done anything about it and still you get
>> a penalty, I find that wrong.
>>
>> So I much rather see the methods used for in example CQWW where the guy
>> making the mistake gets the penalty. Because lets face it, there are
>> very few qsos that are crossed off because of the TX station making an
>> error compared to the RX station.
>>
>> And about abbreviations I really hate those too. I believe it causes
>> more confusion and repeats than it actually gives you a faster rate. I
>> can get using T and N to some extent, but not like A5NT for 1590.
>>
>> Mike, SM2WMV (SJ2W)
>> M/S in SAC CW from SJ2W; http://www.sj2w.se/contest/
>>
>> On 09/13/2011 08:28 PM, Mats Strandberg wrote:
>>> The adjustment of the speed to that both QRQ BIG GUNS and the QRS small
>>> pistols can copy both the call and the exchange is a thrilling challenge
>>> that requires quite awake operators... so I am not so sure if it so easy
>> to
>>> say that "I am not responsible for the other stations miscopying"....
>>>
>>> I personally do not see the "CONS" in the Russian school of log
>> checking....
>>> and also not the advantages in the US approach.  Can someone enlight me a
>>> bit?
>>>
>>> 73 de Mats
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