Back in around 1973, when I was G3ZZI, I did manage to work him on 80m SSB, using 50W to a delta loop at 50 ft. He seemed at least to have something in the way of ears then. Greg, ZS5K. -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/topband.html Submissions: topband@contesting.com Administrative requests: topband-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-topband@contesting.com