I'd be very interested in Frank's assessment of how the 4-square and the Beverages compare. I'm sure he wouldn't keep planting all those fence posts if there was no benefit. How about letting us know, Frank? -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/topband.html Submissions: topband@contesting.com Administrative requests: topband-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-topband@contesting.com