Boy, if I didn't look to see which email reflector this message was on, I would have thought it was describing 6M Sporadic-E. It sure sounds familiar. 73 Warren - K2BM -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/topband.html Submissions: topband@contesting.com Administrative requests: topband-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-topband@contesting.com