Just a question: Would it not make a difference and mitigate the vertical drop pick up problem by bringing the ground wire up to the horizontal wire and placing the termination value there? Herb Schoenbohm, PY1ZAI -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/topband Submissions: topband@contesting.com Administrative requests: topband-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-topband@contesting.com