Topband: 160M JT65HF

Mon Jan 2 11:47:52 PST 2012

I use JT65 on TB alot. I also watch the Dx Cluster, Hamspots.net,
PSKreporter, DX watch and a few others @ ALL times.. if *ANYONE* spots a
station from 1836-1843 and im on JT65.. I qrx & listen to see if I hear
them, or they are being called. Its that simple, even if its a EU spot for
an station some where I have no prop,or any CHANCE of prop.   I also find
that the many of users are running 25-50w , not QRO.. JT65 has a HUGE qrp
following aswell. I also know that many JT65 ops.. watch these tools (
cluster ext ext ) aswell..  as some operate on 1805-1808..the NICE thing
abt JT65 is that its NOT a rag chew mode.. u exchange call grid, sig
report.. and then guess what.. you dnt work them again on that band. (or @
least I dont ) Try it out, every night I usually hear 45 different stations
all over the US, Canada , Mexico & ocassionally EU. Alot more than I ever
here on CW unless theres a contest or a pile up.

For those who do Use JT65 pse see These valuable resources They AID you in
determining if a QRG is clear when you cannot hear the other side of stuff
or where there is prop -> hamspots.net,  http://pskreporter.info/pskmap.html
( fill in appropriate drop down boxes for mode ,call, ect ect ) And please
check the Enable RB & Enable PSKR boxes in your JT65-HFsoftware, all these
do is send your received & decoded stations to the the above pages, for
plotting on a map for prop reports, if anything it aids in the REDUCTION of
endless CQ's.

I have just abt worked all the active JT65 ops on TB that I can hear abt 45
states thus far in a few months of op time, I generally dnt CQ for hours..
I listen ALOT.. or I cq 1 or 2x and then look @ the prop reporter pages..
and see if there are monitors on, and if so If they hear me. If not.. I
wait a bit n try again.

I personally would rather be on CW, but I use every tool available to me
(modes, spotting netwroks, endless vfo spinning @ both greylines) , as I am
not a rock crushing station on TB, if I was to  use *every possible tool*,
I would not be putting in the effort that most of us know TB Demands.
Simply put, if I want results from a way less that optimal station, not
doing so is like shooting myself in the leg.

73's es HNY

-Steve Raas
N2JDQ
http://www.qrz.com/db/N2JDQ
(qrz listing has some TB audio clips for those interested in what dx sounds
like from my 'lil guy' perspective)

On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:

>
> On 1/1/2012 11:46 AM, ZR wrote:
> > I still feel that DOMESTIC JT stay up around 1995 where they wont
> > bother many.
>
> That never stopped the SSB and AM boys for years ... they always
> crowded right down to 1830 to talk across town because "that's where
> their antennas worked".  The same thing is going to be true for the
> JT65 users - they're not going to deal with two segments/retuning
> antennas when they will work anything that comes along.
>
> That's a fact of human nature.
>
> 73,
>
>    ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 1/1/2012 11:46 AM, ZR wrote:
> > I still feel that DOMESTIC JT stay up around 1995 where they wont bother
> > many. They DO NOT belong in the DX window....period...unless they are
> > working DX.
> >
> > Carl
> > KM1H
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists at subich.com>
> > To: <topband at contesting.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 11:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: Topband: 160M JT65HF
> >
> >
> >>
> >> > Why not allocate digital mode above 1900 KHz?
> >>
> >> Because 1900 and up is not available in many areas of the world.
> >> Although I'm not happy with TJ65 at 1838 - it's far better than
> >> the over driven SSB, ESSB and AM that was the norm between 1830
> >> and 1850 a few years ago (and still exists in some areas).
> >>
> >> Of course 600 Watt JT65 is nothing more than an alligator ...
> >> it causes a tremendous amount of QRM from all the stations calling
> >> that the high power station can't hear. When someone on the East
> >> Coast (or Caribbean) hear a west coast station they don't bother to
> >> think that the west coast (or Pacific) station is running 10-12 dB
> >> more power than "normal."
> >>
> >> I don't think that anyone on 160 wants a JT65 "arms race" where 1500 W
> >> outputs become normal. Not only will the perception of interference to
> >> other operations become worse, the very strong signals will cause AGC
> >> issues that will make copying the weaker signals much more difficult
> >> for everybody.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> ... Joe, W4TV
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/31/2011 11:27 PM, n4is wrote:
> >>> Happy New Year to all
> >>>
> >>> Jim, I'd love to have you as a neighbor. You know how to set up a
> >>> station
> >>> for best performance. I had experience with some stations in my area
> >>> that
> >>> wants to get long DX increasing power without knowing how to do it. I
> >>> was
> >>> able to hear the guy on several different frequencies and plenty of
> >>> phase
> >>> noise. Digital modes using AF can be very noisy if you don't know
> >>> what you
> >>> are doing.
> >>> I have a DDR SDR and I can see the noise across the band on the water
> >>> fall
> >>> associated with the shift on the digital signal.
> >>>
> >>> Why not allocate digital mode above 1900 KHz?
> >>>
> >>> I know JT65, FSK441, etc. very well. I was very active on MS on 2 and
> 6m
> >>> when we transitioned from fast speed cw to JT modes 10 years ago.
> >>> Also I did
> >>> EME CW and some JT65 on 144 MHz.
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>> Jose Carlos
> >>> N4IS
> >>>
> >>>
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