Topband: Response to W8JI's comments about using a K2AV foldedcounterpoise at VK6VZ

[Tom W8JI]

> FWIW, I have not heard or seen K2AV making unreasonable "claims" of 
> performance.

Neither have I, nor have I ever inferred he did.

My point, which was addressed to Steve, was pretty basic stuff. I don't 
understand how it gets changed so much.

My point was, when we change **everything** in a system, including where the 
main vertical element is located in a very cluttered environment, and 
especially when we have a station that historically has reported over many 
years having a problem getting any vertical to work as well as a horizontal 
antenna, it is a very large leap to single out a ground system change as 
making a few days of operating performance feel good.

There isn't any reason to extrapolate things so simple and basic into 
something no one said.

I think it is appropriate and necessary to mention the following general 
facts:

1.) When multiple things are changed in a randomly cluttered environment, it 
is impossible to single out a single factor

2.) When a system or location has a history of being sensitive to antenna 
styles, it is probably not the most reliable performance evaluation site

3.) A few days or weeks of contacts don't mean much on any band, let alone 
160. We all probably know this  :-)

No one should be offended by anyone's efforts to keep technical discussions 
grounded in reality, and it certainly should not be changed to something 
that was never said or implied.

73 Tom