Topband: DXCC Desk?

Mon Nov 18 17:30:00 EST 2013

Charlie,

I am sure that if he could he sure would!!!

73,
Ted  K2QMF

On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 17:22:55 -0500 "Charlie Cunningham"
<charlie-cunningham at nc.rr.com> writes:
> Well, maybe so, Ted. But I'd be really impressed if Martti would 
> mount a
> major expedition to North Korea!
> 
> 73,,
> Charlie, K4OTV
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
> k2qmf at juno.com
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 5:05 PM
> To: charlie-cunningham at nc.rr.com
> Cc: lists at subich.com; topband at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: Topband: DXCC Desk?
> 
> Hi Charlie,
> 
> There are a lot of "entities" that we, as hams, count as countries 
> for DXCC
> credit!
> 
> It makes going for the award all that much more fun!!
> 
> 73,
> Ted  K2QMF
> 
> 
> On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 16:57:03 -0500 "Charlie Cunningham"
> <charlie-cunningham at nc.rr.com> writes:
> > Well, I will be pleased and my faith in DXCC will be restored when 
> 
> > they delete the farce of "Scaffold Reef" - "B.S.- seven- hotel"!. 
> As 
> > far as I'm concerned, I f you can't sleep on it and prepare meals 
> on 
> > it - it ain't a "country"! I by  any stretch of the imagination! ( 
> I 
> > did work BS7H and have it confirmed, but it's not a "country"!)
> > 
> > 73,
> > Charlie, K4OTV
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of 
> Joe 
> > Subich, W4TV
> > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 3:56 PM
> > To: topband at contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: Topband: DXCC Desk?
> > 
> > 
> > Herb,
> > 
> > Get your "facts" straight ... the issues you raise happened in the 
> 
> > main more than 20 years ago.  The latest DXCC rules revision "DXCC 
> 
> > 2000"
> > has
> > greatly simplified (and removed the subjectivity) from the 
> entities 
> > criteria (although there are those who can't read a map properly 
> and 
> > screw up the separation between Saba and Bonaire).
> > 
> > The current criteria are quite simple and transparent - leaving 
> very 
> > little "interpretation" as to what qualifies as a "political 
> entity", 
> > or "Geographic Separation Entity".  There is simply no opportunity 
> for 
> > the backroom politics under the current rules.  In that regard the 
> 
> > issues about which you are kvetching have been resolved for 15 
> years.
> > 
> > 73,
> > 
> >     ... Joe, W4TV
> > 
> > 
> > On 11/18/2013 3:33 PM, Herb Schoenbohm wrote:
> > > Gents... Amateur radio is supposed to be devoid of politics as
> > much as
> > > possible. but the more you dig the worse it gets.  I once 
> attended
> > an
> > > IARU Region II meeting in Jamaica and was amazed by all the
> > wheeling and
> > > dealing going on with DXCC accreditation at the core. That was
> > nearly 50
> > > years ago and it seems not much has changed.  I had even heard
> > that the
> > > ops at 706T where banned from working any 4X4's but the sharp 
> ops
> > with a
> > > wink and a nod just logged VX4*** rather than mentioning 
> anything
> > on the
> > > air. Would the ARRL "DXCC Desk" discredit a single 4X4 in need 
> of
> > this
> > > one?  I sort of doubt it. At times there are bona fide reasons 
> to
> > make
> > > exception.  Also the creation of private DX preserves by the 
> ARRL
> > for
> > > certain Radio Societies is legend. In fact KP5 (Desecheo) 
> should
> > never
> > > have been granted DXCC status when Mona Island which permits
> > visitors
> > > was refused.  Additionally Water Island, which KP2A fought for
> > for
> > > years, was clearly not part of the USVI and until recently
> > administered
> > > solely by the U.S. Department of interior.  But so the story 
> goes
> > that
> > > hams in Puerto Rico had decided to join the IARU as a distinct
> > and
> > > unique entity apart from the U.S. and the creation of a private
> > DXCC
> > > location was the price the ARRL paid to halt those plans.  The
> > DXCC
> > > rules have been anything but consistant and have been bent and
> > twisted
> > > like a heavily gerrymander congressional district to purposely
> > include
> > > or exclude  voters of certain just to satisfy some.
> > >
> > >
> > > Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 11/18/2013 3:47 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Len,
> > >>
> > >>> Why, you might ask after all this suffering, is that this
> > nation
> > >>> still is not recognazid as a separate entity to this very 
> small 
> > >>> world  of the global assembly that Ham radio really is?
> > >>
> > >> Ask the Serbs and Russians why they blocked Kosovar membership 
> in
> > the
> > >> UN and prevented ITU from assigning a callsign block, dialing
> > prefix
> > >> and internet TLD?  If the Serbs and Russians recognize the
> > Palestine
> > >> they could certainly allow Kosovo similar international
> > privileges.
> > >>
> > >> Kosovo is recognized by the US as an "independent state" (see:
> > >> http://www.state.gov/s/inr/rls/4250.htm) and like the EU the US 
> 
> > >> maintains diplomatic relations with Kosovo.  Unfortunately, the 
> 
> > >> DXCC Rules (see:
> > http://www.arrl.org/files/file/DXCC/DXCC%20Rules.pdf)
> > >> do not include the US DOS "Independent States in the World" 
> > listing as
> > >> a qualifying option for a "Political (Rule 1) Entity".
> > >>
> > >> 73,
> > >>
> > >>    ... Joe, W4TV
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
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