Topband: Still in search of resonance

[Carl Braun]

Thanks Dean

The one I'm looking at is the old heathkit with the various coil plug ins. The kit comes with a coil that goes down to 1.600. 

Is there another one you can recommend that may go down further?  ON4UN says my tower should be close to 115 degrees others say closer to 140 degrees 

Thanks for your input. I agree with you wholeheartedly. 

Carl AG6X





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> On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:32 PM, "dospicos at q.com" <dospicos at q.com> wrote:
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> Hello Carl: 
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> My suggestion is the same as the first time you were on about this. Obtain... beg borrow steal or buy a meter that will read down into the BC band.  You NEED to know where it is resonant..  All the esoteric nonsense about resistance and reactance are meaningless unless you know the frequencies at which the readings are obtained!  You might find the damn thing is 1:1 at 1356 kc.. At this point you are shooting in the dark in a dark room..
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> You may or may not have an adequate ground system, but that doesn't lessen the need to know what it is you have... and you don't.
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> 73 GL
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> Dean  W5PJR
> Tijeras, NM
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl Braun" <Carl.Braun at lairdtech.com>
> To: "160" <topband at contesting.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 4:14:42 PM
> Subject: Topband: Still in search of resonance
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> Some of you may have followed my efforts in trying to shunt feed my 90' Tri-Ex Skyneedle with 20 meter yagi at 93'.  I'm still unable to find any sort of resonance point on the tower.  To refresh everyone's memory here are the specifics:
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> 90' Skyneedle that is 12" round at the base and 4" round at the top
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> 13' of mast out the top
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> 5 element Telrex 20M monobander mounted at the 93' level.  No other antennas on the tower
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> 1 ½" copper pipe as a radial ring that surrounds the concrete base that measures 4' x 8' rectangle.  Three  8' ground rods are connected to the radial ring via 1" copper strap that is .125 thick.
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> Currently I have 27 14AWG insulated wire radials.  Most of the radials are 20' to 50' long with three at 90 to 120' long and four of them connected to my 40M vertical array which have 100 count radials 50' to 100' each.
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> The tower is grounded to each ground rod via 1" copper strap .125" thick and, as mentioned above, the ground rods are connected to the radial ring with the same strap with copper clad stainless screws.
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> When I bolted the gamma arm to the tower at the 90' height I dropped a single 14AWG wire to the ground where my FLUKE meter read ZERO ohms between the radial ring and the end of the gamma wire with no fluctuations so I'm confident that I have good continuity throughout the tower.
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> Here are the readings that I saw on the MFJ analyzer with the gamma arm mounted at the (4) points on the tower that are available...
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> With the gamma arm mounted at 90' and 36" spacing I saw 425 ohms at the end of the drop wire on the MFJ
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> With the gamma arm mounted at 67' and 36" spacing I saw 380 ohms at the end of the drop wire on the MFJ
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> With the gamma arm mounted at 46' and 36" spacing I saw 240 ohms at the end of the drop wire on the MFJ
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> With the gamma arm mounted at 28' and 36" spacing I saw 120 ohms at the end of the drop wire on the MFJ
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> At all of these points I was able to knock down the R with my honkin' 1050pf cap to some resonance sort of resonance at 1.825 MHz but, as most everyone has indicated, I should be able to find a 50 ohm tap somewhere on the tower.  I can't find it.
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> When I had the gamma arm mounted at the 90' level. I was able to put my baby variable 160pf inline to bring the 425 ohm impedance down to about 60 ohms and the antenna heard very well; especially on the 1700 KHz broadcast band, with a 2.4:1 Vswr.  Similar results could be seen at the other levels too as long as I brought the R down with a variable cap.  Yesterday, with the gamma arm at the 46' level (and 240 ohms on the MFJ) I was able to put the big variable inline to bring the reading to 24 ohms with a TRUE X=0.  With a 22 ohm to 50 ohm UNUN, I saw 1.3:1 Vswr on the output of the UNUN.  I worked a W2 in NJ and a W4 in Florida with just the 1000D.  BUT...again...I'm bringing the R down with the capacitor...not finding 50 ohms anywhere on the tower.
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> Is my radial field so poor that I'm seeing these goofy readings?
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> Is the single 14AWG too thin causing goofy readings?
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> I'm back to scratching my head.
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> Comments from the list?
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> Carl AG6X
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