Topband: Palomar R-X Noise Bridge

[Carl]

The proper ferrites work well down into any frequency you want, even LF.

I use them into UHF as a way to keep 2 and 4 bay yagis from having distorted 
patterns that can kill a good F/B.
Several A-B tests on the 20' test tower have confirmed their effectiveness. 
Common mode is a minor issue at those frequencies that is easilly buried 
into the noise.

This hilltop is great BUT can get noisy so I design my yagis for high F/R 
and low frontal side lobes.

Carl
KM1H



----- Original Message ----- 
From: Charlie Cunningham
To: 'James Rodenkirch' ; 'Carl' ; 'Top Band Contesting'
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 11:53 AM
Subject: RE: Topband: Palomar R-X Noise Bridge


Hi, Jim

Well, Maxwell's "W2DU" balu ns are ferrite sleeve baluns and you can get 
those that go down to 160m. It's a matter of choosine the right ferrite for 
the frequenc;y range of interest, and using enough ferrite to build p the 
common-mode impedance!

73,
Charlie, K4OTV


From: James Rodenkirch [mailto:rodenkirch_llc at msn.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 11:45 AM
To: Charlie Cunningham; 'Carl'; Top Band Contesting
Subject: RE: Topband: Palomar R-X Noise Bridge

Carl:  I've read, at several places, that sleeve baluns are effective at VHF 
and above but not at HF frequencies..thoughts??

72/73, Jim Rodenkirch --- former Tempest inspector for the U.S. 
Navy..ahhhhh...Tempest comcerns - the good 'ol days  hi Hi!

> From: charlie-cunningham at nc.rr.com
> To: km1h at jeremy.mv.com; topband at contesting.com
> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 11:39:14 -0500
> Subject: Re: Topband: Palomar R-X Noise Bridge
>
> I'm a great believer in ferrite sleeve baluns, Carl! That's all that I 
> use,
> and with a little work you can even connect two of them for 4:1 nalance.
>
> 73,
> Charlie, K4OTV
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carl [mailto:km1h at jeremy.mv.com]
> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 11:05 AM
> To: Charlie Cunningham; 'TopBand'
> Subject: Re: Topband: Palomar R-X Noise Bridge
>
> The lowest loss cable I have here is 75 Ohm 1" General Cable Fused Disc; 
> its
>
> under a differnt name these days. Mostly air with poly discs and used for
> the 200' runs for 10M, 2M, and 222 MHz.
>
> For the 160/80 inverted vee it is 450' of regular foamed 3/4" 75 Ohm CATV
> hardline with a RG-11 jumper and plenty of ferrite to the feed point. Ive
> been using ferrite sleeve baluns since the mid 70's; I was introduced to
> them by the company I worked for who was building equipment for the joint
> CIA/DOD Tempest program.
>
> Carl
> KM1H
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charlie Cunningham" <charlie-cunningham at nc.rr.com>
> To: <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>; "'TopBand'" <topband at contesting.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 10:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Topband: Palomar R-X Noise Bridge
>
>
> > All generally true, I expect, but I also believe that dielectric 
> > constant
> > and dielectric losses also figure in and the lowest loss lines would be
> > filled with air, dry nitrogen or evacuated. I expect those would likely 
> > be
> > the lowest loss AND highest velocity factor cases.
> >
> > 73,
> > Charlie, K4OTV
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> > Brown
> > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 9:42 PM
> > To: 'TopBand'
> > Subject: Re: Topband: Palomar R-X Noise Bridge
> >
> > On 2/14/2014 2:17 PM, Carl wrote:
> >> Isnt that what "lowest loss" means? At least that was my intention.
> >
> > I must not have written clearly enough. I was not questioning the low
> > loss, only that the high Vf was the way to get it.
> >
> > You DO get the low loss by going to larger coax, (like the 7/8-in hard
> > line), but it's the fact that it's LARGER and has lower RF resistance,
> > NOT the higher Vf.
> >
> > Think of it this way -- The higher Vf cable has less attenuation per ft
> > because the higher Vf allows the center conductor to be larger.
> > But a stub made with foam coax with Vf = 0.84 must be 27% longer than
> > one with with a solid dielectric and Vf =.66. If those coaxes are the
> > same diameter and of comparable quality, the stub attenuation and Q will
> > be nearly the same.
> >
> > 73, Jim K9YC
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