Topband: K1N On Line Log

[Don Kirk]

Hi Charlie and gang,

It is not that simple and I am a guilty party of early on dupes on 160
meters with K1N because of the following.

Early on 160 meters the jamming was horrible so it was impossible to hear
the confirmation.  Early on K1N was responding so fast that they were
beating my cw break in even though I have it just set so it does not drop
out when sending my call to prevent weak dots (I have a lot of dots), and
impossible to hear the front of my call so could not tell if they had it
right.  Early on sounded like they we using paddles going way too fast for
conditions (and making sending mistakes) and/or had amp keying problems
which made it sound like busted calls, and without clublog no way of
knowing you were good in the log (not a busted call).  I had discussions
early on with the pilot station (first time in 38 years I had ever
contacted a pilot station) about some of the above topics because I felt
horrible that I was going to attempt another contact on 160 meters due to
the above issues.

Things have since improved and they are doing great.

What I learned as a w1aw/9 op was that sending speed much above 26 to 28
wpm was not really much of a time saver, repeating a stations call twice
often helped the other station know I had his call good, and sending the
stations call twice also made the band go silent by others because they
could hear exactly who I was responding because folks with longer calls or
slower sending speeds would still be sending otherwise during my response
to a station and they were clueless about my sending/response status.

I again apologize for being a dupe in the K1N log (only on 160 meters), it
was just due to "perfect storm conditions" mentioned above and the fact
that my call is just so dang tough for folks to copy.

Sorry and 73,
Don (wd8dsb)

On Saturday, February 7, 2015, Charlie Cunningham <
charlie-cunningham at nc.rr.com> wrote:

> And another more important point, Kevin in the case of such a massive need
> as K1N. Several of the operators were complaining about the number of
> "dupes" in the logs. That's caused by guys not knowing if they  had a good
> QSO and just continuing to call. I Tune around in the CW pileups a LOT to
> find where the stations are calling that the DX is working and to find  a
> slot where I can insert my call. I have personally heard a number of guys
> that were worked by K1N and went right on calling in the pile because they
> simply didn't know they had worked them!! What's wrong with that picture??
> In those cases the operators just weren’t adept enough to enact the simple
> procedures that I outlined, and they just continued to  add to the
> pandemonium in the pile-up and making things more difficult for everyone!
> That just adds to the QRM and slows everyone down!!
>
> 73.l
> Charlie, K4OTV
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces at contesting.com <javascript:;>] On
> Behalf Of kolson at rcn.com <javascript:;>
> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 1:36 AM
> To: topband at contesting.com <javascript:;>
> Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log
>
>
> Charlie, I don't think many here  "didn't know" if they made a contact or
> not. The question was if  K1N had "lost" their QSO from the computer log.
> No matter how sure you are you made the contact, if it's not in their
> computer log, for whatever reason, it can't be confirmed.
>
> Kevin K3OX
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Charlie Cunningham" <charlie-cunningham at nc.rr.com <javascript:;>>
> To: "Eddy Swynar" <deswynar at xplornet.ca <javascript:;>>,
> topband at contesting.com <javascript:;>
> Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 12:46:02 AM
> Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log
>
> Well, we did survive just fine, Eddy and lots of folks mad the Honor Roll,
> 5BDXCC etc..
>
> All this nonsense about the online logs is just so much Bull!!!  Can all be
> avoided if folks would do the following:\
>
> 1.0        COPY your own call!!!  No guesswork, no fragments, no bluffing
> etc.
>
> 2.0         Copy your report
>
> 3.0        Reply with your call, followed by an  acknowledgement  of DX
> Station
> Report (TU or thanks) and Send report to DX station followed (or preceded)
> by "Thanks" or TU
>
> 4.0        LISTEN for the DX operator to acknowledge your report
>
> 5.0         Thanks or TU -or even dit-dit
>
> Do those things completely and there won't be much guessing or wondering if
> you had a legitimate QSO that's logged!! We may have to have some patience
> and perseverance  to work through the jammers, and QRM and the packet-rats
> tuning up on the DX QRG!
>
> It may be reassuring to see the online logs, but we should KNOW if we had a
> good contact or not!  WITHOUT  a computer to tell us we did!!
>
> I KNEW that my 7 QSOs with K1N were there BEFORE the logs came out! And NO
> DUPES or "INSURANCE CONTACTS"!    Just my $0.02.
>
> 73,
> Charlie, K4OTV
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces at contesting.com <javascript:;>] On
> Behalf Of Eddy
> Swynar
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 3:17 PM
> To: topband at contesting.com <javascript:;>
> Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log
>
> How did we EVER collectively survive the dark ages of hardcopy QSL cards,
> s.a.s.e.'s, QSL bureaus, DX news sheets, and I.R.C.s, I wonder...?
>
> Is everyone that impatient while attempting to WORK a rare station, too...?
>
> All this angst and trepidation being displayed here...! I thought DX'ing,
> Ham radio, & Topband were all supposed to be FUN, and not a hand-wringing
> exercise in anger & worry management...
>
> ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ
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