Topband: K1N On Line Log

Sat Feb 7 10:56:52 EST 2015

Charlie, that's my point. The people who keep calling in the pile are AWARE that they may not have a QSO, that's why they keep calling. With all the intentional QRM on K1N, it's possible they were never even aware that K1N returned to them! And that can lead to "accidental" dupes not the fault of K1N or the calling station. But the original subject (see subject line in header) was people thinking they had to re-work them because they were not or at least no longer in the Clublog ummm... errr... log. 

Personally, I took it on faith that if the pilots said the log on the island was fine and never in jeopardy and it was just a Clublog issue, I need not worry and I certainly didn't rework them. Some didn't feel as confident and decided upon "safety contacts". But from what I saw here, no one questioned whether their contact was good in the first place, just whether it was still in the K1N log. 

BTW, with all due respect, the "simple procedures" you mentioned below are fine for casual DXing, but in DXpedition pileups, its: 

(K1N): K3OX 5NN (K3OX): 5NN (K1N): TU 

You would make mucho people (including possibly the op on the Dxpedition) very unhappy if everyone went: 

(K1N): K3OX 5NN (K3OX): K1N DE K3OX TU 5NN BK (K1N): K3OX QSL TU DE K1N UP (K3OX): TU Dit Dit 

It's a trade off between absolute certainty and speed, getting more calls in the log. Maybe an unacceptable trade-off to you, but I suspect not to the majority of ops  in Contest/DXpedition scenarios.  

Best, Kevin K3OX 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Charlie Cunningham" <charlie-cunningham at nc.rr.com> 
To: kolson at rcn.com, topband at contesting.com 
Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 3:06:46 AM 
Subject: RE: Topband: K1N On Line Log 

And another more important point, Kevin in the case of such a massive need as K1N. Several of the operators were complaining about the number of "dupes" in the logs. That's caused by guys not knowing if they  had a good QSO and just continuing to call. I Tune around in the CW pileups a LOT to find where the stations are calling that the DX is working and to find  a slot where I can insert my call. I have personally heard a number of guys that were worked by K1N and went right on calling in the pile because they simply didn't know they had worked them!! What's wrong with that picture?? In those cases the operators just weren’t adept enough to enact the simple procedures that I outlined, and they just continued to  add to the pandemonium in the pile-up and making things more difficult for everyone!  That just adds to the QRM and slows everyone down!! 

73.l 
Charlie, K4OTV 

-----Original Message----- 
From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of kolson at rcn.com 
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 1:36 AM 
To: topband at contesting.com 
Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log 

Charlie, I don't think many here  "didn't know" if they made a contact or not. The question was if  K1N had "lost" their QSO from the computer log. No matter how sure you are you made the contact, if it's not in their computer log, for whatever reason, it can't be confirmed. 

Kevin K3OX   

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Charlie Cunningham" <charlie-cunningham at nc.rr.com> 
To: "Eddy Swynar" <deswynar at xplornet.ca>, topband at contesting.com 
Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 12:46:02 AM 
Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log 

Well, we did survive just fine, Eddy and lots of folks mad the Honor Roll, 
5BDXCC etc.. 

All this nonsense about the online logs is just so much Bull!!!  Can all be 
avoided if folks would do the following:\ 

1.0        COPY your own call!!!  No guesswork, no fragments, no bluffing etc. 

2.0         Copy your report 

3.0        Reply with your call, followed by an  acknowledgement  of DX Station 
Report (TU or thanks) and Send report to DX station followed (or preceded) 
by "Thanks" or TU 

4.0        LISTEN for the DX operator to acknowledge your report 

5.0         Thanks or TU -or even dit-dit 

Do those things completely and there won't be much guessing or wondering if 
you had a legitimate QSO that's logged!! We may have to have some patience 
and perseverance  to work through the jammers, and QRM and the packet-rats 
tuning up on the DX QRG! 

It may be reassuring to see the online logs, but we should KNOW if we had a 
good contact or not!  WITHOUT  a computer to tell us we did!! 

I KNEW that my 7 QSOs with K1N were there BEFORE the logs came out! And NO 
DUPES or "INSURANCE CONTACTS"!    Just my $0.02. 

73, 
Charlie, K4OTV 

-----Original Message----- 
From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Eddy 
Swynar 
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 3:17 PM 
To: topband at contesting.com 
Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log 

How did we EVER collectively survive the dark ages of hardcopy QSL cards, 
s.a.s.e.'s, QSL bureaus, DX news sheets, and I.R.C.s, I wonder...? 

Is everyone that impatient while attempting to WORK a rare station, too...? 

All this angst and trepidation being displayed here...! I thought DX'ing, 
Ham radio, & Topband were all supposed to be FUN, and not a hand-wringing 
exercise in anger & worry management... 

~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ 
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