Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances

[Don Greenbaum]

Larry:

The number of US hams isn't the issue, it's the number of DXers working 
each DXpedition.   And the better number to look at is uniques.

My Dayton presentation is here:

www.ncdxf.org/misc/N1DG-DXpeditioncosts-Dayton2012.ppt

My NCDXF article is here on pages 5 through 7 :

http://www.ncdxf.org/newsletters/2012-AUTUMN.pdf

Since I did the research, NCDXF has received updated information from its 
grantees that has not changed the results presented.

Don
N1DG



At 09:11 AM 2/7/2015, Larry wrote:
>The last time I saw numbers several years ago the US had something like 
>530,000 licensed hams which I think was more than all other countries 
>together (or close to it). No way to know what percentage are DXers and 
>possibly concerned with working a particular DXpedition. However, it might 
>be more relevant if the percentages of financing were percentages of DXers 
>that contributed. It may be still skewed of course. The percentage of QSOs 
>doesn't really account for propagation or distance to between the 
>DXpedition site and DXer QTH. I have been on the radio at times where 
>working the next county (let alone another country) was an amazing feat on 
>HF but I have also been on at times where you could work just about any 
>place in the world at the same time. When I have operated from XV openings 
>to the East Coast of the US have not been very often and are usually of 
>short duration. Openings to South America even fewer and more challenging. 
>Openings to Europe are usually everyday. It certainly has an effect on 
>where the QSOs are made. 73, Larry  W6NWS -----Original Message----- From: 
>Doug Renwick Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 8:36 AM To: 'Victor 
>Goncharsky' ; garry at ni6t.com ; topband at contesting.com Subject: Re: 
>Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances The point that Garry 
>is making, he did it very well, is that EU as a group should contribute 
>more than what they are presently doing.  And he is right. Doug 
>-----Original Message----- Garry, In the good old days when I was learning 
>the art of ham radio from Don Miller's DX and contest operations and my 
>Dad UB5WF, I've got an idea of the ham spirit that makes all of us equal 
>under the Sun. This is the corner stone of our hobby - the equality, no 
>matter how much one's paid for the hardware and antennae or has donated 
>for a certain expedition. You presume that although we are equal, the 
>country which paid more is more equal then the others. I think this is 
>completely wrong. In fact, how can you distinguish between those US hams 
>who paid and those who not? Does it mean that their countrymen, in 
>accordance with your theory, have paid for their free lunch? I was 
>fortunate to have them all before the era of unproportionally expensive 
>dxpeditions and accompanying aggressive fundraising has come. ðÑÔÎÉÃÁ, 06 
>ÆÅ×ÒÁÌÑ 2015, 18:27 -08:00 ÏÔ Garry Shapiro 
><garry at ni6t.com>: >Dado, > >When you go to see a film, do you expect your 
>neighbor to buy your >ticket? Do you complain when you do not like the 
>film? > >When you buy a car, do you expect your neighbor to pay the 
>dealer? Do >you complain when the car is not perfect? > >When you go to a 
>restaurant, do you expect your neighbor to buy you >dinner? Do you 
>complain if you do not like the food? > >If you do, and get away with it, 
>then you go right ahead and let your >fellow hams pay for your DXing. You 
>are obviously an important person >and deserve such consideration. ;-) >It 
>therefore must be a privilege for me to support your hobby for you, >and 
>thank you. > >Back during the Arab oil embargo in 1973, there was a very 
>popular >bumper sticker in the US which said: > >"Gas, grass or a**: 
>nobody rides free."  That is American slang, but I >think you can figure 
>it out. > >Garry, NI6T > --- This email has been checked for viruses by 
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