Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input

Fri Jul 10 22:10:54 EDT 2015

'Scuze me, guys!  I had to take a break for something to eat!  Larry -
important point!  I'll forward my comments to ARRL. Greg, I don't have a
problem at all if you are operating your own station remotely, using the
same antennas, radios etc. What I would object to would be if you were
operating  "Super Station" in the Phillppines to gain some advantage into
Asia, the Indian Ocean, VK/ZL etc.  I do know of a JA that does exactly that
with a "Super Station" in the Phillippines. I won't mention his JA or DU
call here, but I have worked him from here in NC on 17m, when the band
should NOT have been open into DU!!

All good points guys - but, of course the ARRL willdo whatever they and the
"Old Boys' Club" damn well pleases, just as they have always done!

At this point I have worked all but P5 and I missed KH8,Swain's Island when
it was active. But with work pressures etc., I was sort of haphazard with my
QSLchoresover the years and now I'm trying to round up 4 more cards for CW
DXCC Honor Roll and I need to submit some 80m cards for 8-band CWDXCC.  Hope
I get those last 4 soon!

73,
Charlie, K4OTV

-----Original Message-----
From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Greg
Zenger
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 9:11 PM
To: topband
Subject: Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for
input

Bob and the others,

I understand (and even agree with, at least to an extent) many of the
arguments against remote operation. It seems like most of these arguments
are against remote stations that are rented, or remote stations that are
self owned but at a different location than the operators primary operating
location (Other side of country, lower noise QTH, etc.)

Do you have a problem with those of us who operate our own primary stations
remotely?  Sometimes I am sent out of the continental USA for business
trips, and I can be away for months at a time.  I'm likely to miss a good
DXpedition or two during that time away. By operating remotely, it gives me
something to do in the hotel room when the work for the day is complete, and
it drives me to build a more robust and reliable station, because I dont
have the luxury of making repairs until I return home.  It sure is nice to
have these 'remote' contacts that I make count towards my award.
Afterall, every contact applied toward my award was made from the same
antennas, connected to the same radios, in the same yard, regardless of
where I was when I touched the paddles or PTT.

Curious to hear your opinions on this particular angle.

73,
Greg N2GZ

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 8:42 PM, Robert Harmon <k6uj at pacbell.net> wrote:

> Mike,
>
> I also do not like the idea of remote station operation being 
> acceptable for DXCC.
> (Charlie, you have one more year on me,   I was licensed in 1958 :-)
> I have pursued the DXCC awards for all these years and now to allow 
> remote op to be granted the same awards gives the DXCC awards almost 
> zero value. Whether the remote operation is rented or self owned it 
> makes no difference.  I'm sure a lot of us have the same thinking on 
> this but haven't had the opportunity to express our feelings.  
> Actually I believe the majority of ARRL DXers feel this
> way.   I think the board needs to find a way to get input from the
> majority !
> Lastly,  One consideration for the board to look at is to have a 
> separate DXCC category for remote operation. Then everyone is happy 
> and there would be a level playing field for each category, home 
> station or remote.  (After all that is the crux of the issue)
>
>
> 73,
> Bob
> K6UJ
>
>
>
> > On Jul 10, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Charles Cu nningham <
> charlie-cunningham at nc.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Mike
> >
> > Well, I've been licensed and a DXer since February 1957.  In my 
> > opinion remote stations and operations should NOT be acceptable for
DXCC.
> Perhaps a
> > special NEW DXCC could be established for those operations Most of 
> > us
> over
> > the decades have worked diligently so improve our stations and 
> > antennas within the bounds available to us!  To have to compete with 
> > remote Super Stations that are sited to provide significant 
> > advantages on certain DX paths or bands REALLY spoils it for oo many 
> > of us, and establishes is as
> a
> > "Sport for the Rich" like so many other things in our society!  I am
> opposed
> > to offering conventional "DXCC" credit for remote operations!
> >
> > 73,
> > Charlie, K4OTV
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of 
> > Tony K1AMF
> > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 10:10 AM
> > To: topband at contesting.com
> > Subject: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for 
> > input
> >
> > FYI, now's your chance to speak up if you haven't already.  Please 
> > e-mail N2YBB or other ARRL board members directly with any questions 
> > or
> comments.
> > Not looking to rehash things here on the reflector.
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: ARRL Members Only Web site <memberlist at www.arrl.org>
> > Date: 07/09/2015  7:01 PM  (GMT-05:00)
> > To: k1amf at live.com
> > Subject: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Next week, the Board of Directors will be holding their second 
> > meeting of the year.  One of the topics up for discussion is the 
> > recent change in
> DXCC
> > rules, particularly as to the use of remote operations for DXCC credit.
> >
> > I would be interested in knowing what you, the ARRL member, feel 
> > about
> the
> > rules for DXCC.  In particular, I would like to know what your 
> > opinion is regarding crediting (for awards) DX contacts made by 
> > remote control operations, be they through self owned or rented
stations.
> >
> > I would be also be interested in your experiences if you have 
> > operated remotely in chasing DX for DXCC credit.
> >
> > If you have any other items of interest, please also let me know.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > 73 de Mike N2YBB
> >
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