Topband: What IS troubling about this report....

[Tom WA2BCK]

Glenn,
Your summary was wonderful and loaded with excellent advice. I often wonder 
why stations persist in calling on the DX stations transmit frequency. 
Surely by now, the entire ham radio community must realize that DXpeditions 
operate up or down and usually do not answer calls on their own transmit 
frequency.  It continually amazes me how many times people call on the DX 
stations transmit frequency. It is sooooo frustrating! I don't know the 
appropriate solution but I would like to broadcast to the entire ham radio 
community to listen when the operator says UP.  Thanks for allowing me to 
blow off steam!
Tom
WA2BCK

-----Original Message----- 
From: James Rodenkirch
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 4:39 PM
To: Top Band Contesting
Subject: Topband: What IS troubling about this report....



....from one of the K1N ops is there is nothing new here.....all of his 
dozen plus points is/ae SOOOOO fundamental to anyone chasing 
DX.......terrible operating habits or approaches by the majority of the DX 
chasers, obviously...

I did work K1N with QRP power on 80, 20 and 15 so feel fortunate to "squeak 
in," so to speak...72, Jim Rodenkirch K9JWV


From
Glen W0GJ operating at K1N (as reported in the “Gray Line Report” of the 
Twin
Cities ARC:


GOOD
ADVICE FROM SOMEONE WHO WAS THERE  !Feedback and Lessons I learn a lot from
every DXpedition I’ve ever been on.  I’ve put together a summary of my two 
weeks
of operation from Navassa. I’m sure all of my teammates will concur with 
what
I’ve observed and learned. European stations complained a lot for the “short
time” we worked Europe. QUITE THE CONTRARY!!!!
This is a MOST interesting point of discussion! If you look at the times
in our logs, we spent MORE time working Europe than working North America. 
Our
Club Log statistics, however, show that North America had 58% of the 
contacts,
Europe 32% and Asia 6%. WHY, then, if MORE time was spent working Europe, 
was Europe
about half the number of North American contacts??? Simple answer: RATE.
Period. When you listened to us working North America, we could cruise right
along at 300-350 Qs/hour, or more! I often saw the “rate meter” hanging 
around
500-600 Qs/hour. (I heard that someone on the team was clocked at 1,200
Qs/hour….. on 160m!!!!) When working Europe, we would be extremely lucky to 
see
rates of 100 Qs/hour. Euro-pean signals are as strong, if not stronger than
North American signals, in the Caribbean. The west coast U.S. is much harder 
to
work than Europe. South American signals were among the strongest! Here is a
note I received after I returned home. It is from a well-known DXer in 
Europe:
“I listened to XXX working US pile-up on 80m. Fantastic, at least 10 QSOs 
per
minute, and when he turned to listen for Europe, the rate was only 10% of 
that.
Same on the other bands and modes.” The problem is THROUGHPUT. Rate.
Efficiency. Cooperation. Whatever you want to call it. For the time we spent
working Europe, we should have MORE contacts than with North America, but 
that
did not happen. It COULD have happened! No one more than me would like to 
have
seen the European Qs outnumber North American Qs. For the “next one,” I have
some suggestions to help DXers, including myself, and particularly DXers in
Europe, to be more successful.

Here
is what I see are the issues: (This applies to US hams as well for more 
distant
DX operations – N8PR)1. Not listening to the DX operator. 2. LISTEN to and
LEARN the rate and rhythm of the operator. 3. LISTEN to WHERE the operator 
is
listening, and to his PATTERN of moving his VFO. You MUST KNOW where he will
listen next if you expect him to hear you! How simple is that? It is part of
the hunt… and the fun of DXing…. and getting rewarded! 4. Learn to use your
radio (split/simplex, etc.). 5. Do NOT jump to and call on the frequency of 
the
last station worked. The DX station will NOT hear you, because the din is 
total
unintelligible chaos. Move UP or DOWN from that frequency, as we on our end 
were
continuously tuning up or down after each Q. So, if one jumps onto the
last-worked frequency, we will not hear you, even if you were the only one
there, as we have already tuned off that frequency. 6. TURN OFF ALL SPEECH
PROCESSORS AND COMPRESSION! Do NOT overdrive ALC. There is a night and day
difference in listening to NA/AS and EU pileups. The horrible distortion 
makes
it impossible to copy many, if not most European callsigns. I don’t know 
what
it is, but I would bet that mic gain and compression controls are “firewall
forward,” all the way clockwise. There were MANY loud stations that we did 
not
work, COULD NOT WORK, simply because we could NOT understand their terribly
distorted callsign. Have you ever listened to yourself in a pileup? We gave 
many
stations a “19” signal report. Very loud, but extremely unintelligible! You
want to have IN-TELLIGABILITY, not distortion! 7. Give your call sign ONCE 
and
ONLY ONCE! DO NOT KEEP CALLING! Call. Listen. Call again, if needed. Listen.
Listen. We would tune on by those who did not stop calling. We are looking 
for
RATE and getting stations into the log. You should be, too!!! 8. If the DX
station comes back with your call-sign, DO NOT REPEAT YOUR CALLSIGN, AS WE
ALREADY KNOW IT, or we would not have answered you. Many stations (in all
modes) would repeat their callsign two, three and even four times or more! 
This
was so frustrating at times, that we would just move on to the next station. 
We
ONLY want to hear “5NN” or “59” from you. Anything else is a total waste of
time. Let me repeat, if we come back with YOUR call sign, DO NOT REPEAT it 
back
to us! (Did I repeat myself?..... forgive me!) It CHEATS others out of a 
chance
to get into the log. Only repeat your call sign if it needs correction, and
then let us know it is a correction. Our propagation windows and time on the
island are limited, and we need to maximize the opportunity for everyone. 
SPEED
and EFFICIENCY ARE OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE! 9. LISTEN to the DX station come 
back
to some-one. IF THERE IS NOTHING CLOSE TO OR RESEMBLING YOUR CALLSIGN…… SHUT
UP! SHUT UP!!!!! This needless interference slows things up, and lessens 
YOUR
chance of getting into the log! We are focused on the call sign we heard and 
do
not hear you, only your QRM. 10. Take some time to listen to the next
DXpedition working North America, and listen to the rate and rhythm of the
operator. It is fast, quick and efficient, and more people get into the log!
Then listen to him work Europe. The wise operator will catch on quickly to 
what
it takes to get into the log! 11. SPREAD OUT! Our highest rates (for any
continent) were working the center and far edges of the pileup, where there 
was
less QRM. Weak stations were much easier to work than loud stations in the
middle of the pileup. If we say, “Listening 200 to 210,” 70% of the pileup 
sits
exactly on 200 in an unintelligible din, 25% of the pileup sits on 210 and 
is
almost as bad. 5% of the pileup will be spread out somewhere between 201 and
209, making them very quickly put into the log. S P R E A D O U T ! ! ! ! 
Dare
to be different! Dare to be heard! 12. LOUD is NOT better! MORE
AUDIO/COMPRESSION is NOT better! Finding the spot to be HEARD is the MOST
important thing you can do to get into the log. My biggest thrill (and I’m 
sure
on both ends) is finding the lone weak station and getting him into the log,
quickly. 13. LISTEN to the DX operator’s INSTRUCTIONS! As we would 
constantly
tune our VFO, if we find a clear spot, we would often say, “33” (meaning for
YOU to transmit on 14.033, 28.433, etc). A few would listen, and get into 
the
log very quickly. You cannot hear these hints if you keep calling,calling,
calling, calling ……… Many times, I would say, “listening 200 to 210,” and 
after
a while, would say, “listening 240 to 250.” Often 30 to 45 minutes, even and
HOUR later, I would find MANY still calling on the original “200 to 210”….. 
of
course, they would never show up in our log, as I was not listening there.
LISTEN, LISTEN, LISTEN and LISTEN SOME MORE. The less you transmit, the 
better
chance you have of get-ting into the log. You must know where I am 
listening,
if you really want to get into the log. 14. LISTEN to the “good” guys who 
make
it into the log. Study how they do it! It is not easy to find the “good” 
guys,
as they are quick and efficient and are in the log and gone, long before 
anyone
can find them. They don’t transmit much. They are listening. 15. LISTEN to 
the
“bad” guys. It won’t take you long to find them. They keep calling and 
calling.
They aren’t listening to find out where to transmit, or they wouldn’t be
calling. How simple is that? Being LOUD helps, but not if the DX is not 
hearing
you! If you don’t want to get into the DX log, just ignore the above
suggestions, and keep calling, calling, calling….. I wish you the best of 
luck.
You’ll need it.







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