Topband: Strange propagation

Herbert Schoenbohm herbs at
Thu Jan 14 16:52:20 EST 2016

Dave,  What will happen then is that the RHR gurus will just jack up the 
rates to take the hams with deepest pockets. Additionally the laws of 
supply will kick in and more RHR station and others will invest in this 
scheme to put more stations on the air.  As this progresses the value of 
the entire DXCC program will diminish. There must be some brakes put on 
this before is is to late.  The other night I was thrilled to have an 
Italian station calling me on 160 only to learn later he was actually on 
the mainland via an RHR station.  Is this the way amateur radio is 
supposed to trend?

Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ

On 1/14/2016 5:28 PM, Dave Blaschke, w5un wrote:
> Look at the situation; There are just a few stateside RHR for rent 
> locations. As more and more "hams" begin to use these sites to work 
> DXpeditions, the queue length to access one of these sites will 
> become  hopeless long. JUST A THOUGHT.
> Dave, W5UN
> On 1/14/2016 6:33 PM, Herbert Schoenbohm wrote:
>> I have lost my amateur station in three major hurricanes over the 
>> years here, everything including radios (from water) and antennas. I 
>> have also rebuilt them a four different locations until I finally 
>> scrapped enough money together and bought a home next to a large salt 
>> pond. I have full remote station here but it only functions for 
>> contest operated by a cliff dweller in NYC who cares not for DXCC 
>> credit.  The problem with the US RHR deals is that it completely 
>> skews the process as far as the propagation differences across the 
>> fruited plan.  I would love to add to my DXCC totals as I close into 
>> the 300 mark.  USA stations can do this but is it ethical.  It sure 
>> makes money for a pay to play amateur radio scheme. But is it the way 
>> you want low band Dx-ing to become?  I hope not as you only will need 
>> a computer and an internet connection and everything else that used 
>> to a worthwhile effort is trashed.
>> I remember a former 160 meter DX pioneer, Charles O'Brien who 
>> originally from Illinois used a 1/4 wave bent Marconi and 25 watts to 
>> work a G station.  This is what we are or what we used to be. RHR I 
>> am afraid is the end of an era were perseverance and not vast amounts 
>> of  QRO muscle and money decided who was on top. That is a shame and 
>> perhaps to some a disgrace as it really chances everything including 
>> the respect we have for those who did so much with so little.`
>> Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ
>> On 1/14/2016 12:43 AM, Dave Blaschke, w5un wrote:
>>> I will say this:
>>> operating a remote station (for money) owned and managed by someone 
>>> else will never be as satisfying as operating your own station, 
>>> built by your hands. But than again, if you have no station, and are 
>>> unable to build one up, what's your choice? I built (and rebuilt) a 
>>> beautiful station and antenna system here over the past fifteen 
>>> years, only to see much of it destroyed by storms in recent years. 
>>> Now I am unable to rebuild anymore.
>>> Dave, W5UN
>>> On 1/14/2016 2:26 AM, Carl Luetzelschwab wrote:
>>>> Ed N1UR said "It seems non-trivial to me as to how to maintain 
>>>> these remote
>>>> stations."
>>>> My guess is it was someone using the Portland, OR station in the 
>>>> Remote Ham
>>>> Radio network ( The 
>>>> stations
>>>> are available for a price.
>>>> I don't know whose actual station that is - but I'm sure it is 
>>>> someone's
>>>> home station (just like all the others in the network).
>>>> Carl K9LA
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